Why mages get to use Conq now?

iKuma·Feb 8, 2019·4 votes·1,136 views

Why the hell are you guys making Conq more appealing to range champs? specially mages? like doesn't mages have enough keystones to use? like they are literally the only class who can use almost every keystone in the game and now we turning Conq more appealing to them?

Can't wait to fight teemo with Conq now! Or Conq Urgot because he really needed it! Or any combat mages using Conq now!

Like jesus christ riot thats the only keystone bruisers use.. atleast make it melee only or half the benefits for range champs because we don't want to see lucian abusing it too.

(And no melee won't be better than ranged since range champs can proc it safely while melees need to be in the middle of the fight to proc it. So saying its better on melee because "8secs" is not an argument)

26 Comments

JaspersFeb 8, 20193 votes

All keystones should be open to all champs really, the fact that old Conqueror only gave AD means melee AP fighters like Gragas or Diana couldn't get it's full benefits, although they could use it already, infact any champ could before really. Aftershock is the only one left that has a real requirement to meet.

iKumaFeb 8, 20192 votes

No all keystones should NOT be open to all champs specially Ranged ones. If they made it melee only I would be less worried but having to lane against Cass top with conq or anything like that wont be fun or healthy. Also they made Conq for bruiser to combat tanks not for anyone else to use.

JaspersFeb 8, 20193 votes

They should but the runes will just need adjusting to to cater for them, half the time it's active, the requirement to proc, the damage it gives etc but there is no reason why any rune should be locked off from any champ just because they are ranged or melee. It's about the playstyle the player wants to have, that's all.

I mean this conqueror is balanced very simply by just halving the benefits for ranged. Although removing the true damage totally is something I'd prefer them to do.

You can take Aftershock on Twisted Fate at the moment but not Nasus or Garen, who do you think would like it more?

On My Kill ListFeb 8, 20192 votes

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They should but the runes will just need adjusting to to cater for them, half the time it's active, the requirement to proc, the damage it gives etc but there is no reason why any rune should be locked off from any champ just because they are ranged or melee. It's about the playstyle the player wants to have, that's all.

I mean this conqueror is balanced very simply by just halving the benefits for ranged. Although removing the true damage totally is something I'd prefer them to do.

You can take Aftershock on Twisted Fate at the moment but not Nasus or Garen, who do you think would like it more?

i disagree with you. we saw with grasp that if any melee rune is even somewhat decent for melee that it'd be busted for ranged. and im sorry to burst your bubble but giving ranged champions access to more damage,sustain,and true dmg conversion is even far far harder to balance then grasps hp stacking,heal,and percent dmg procs. there is no way riot could balance conqueror for ranged without outright removing certain parts of it from them. this is an age old re-occuring issue we've had in league with things like spirit of the elder lizard or ibg where ranged champions end up getting a certain item or rune or effect nerfed or even removed because of abuse cases by them. you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that ranged should never have access to melee designed keystones like conqueror.

JaspersFeb 8, 20193 votes

But you can take Grasp on ranged, the downside is you can't refresh the timer to keep it up. You could take Conqueror on ranged now, infact isn't it the main rune for Draven? You just lose the benefit of refreshing it on minions but he uses it and currently gets most of the benefits except the refresh. Meanwhile melee AP fighters don't use it and Aftershock can't be used by anyone without hard CC.

Infact, Draven can use Aftershock. :P

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

I don't think you get that range champs get the full benefits on Conq like melees. And so if melee and range get the same benefit then the RANGED champ will be hard abusing it vs melees which lead to balanced problem specially on damage rune since they can also refresh the buff just like melees.

???

Sir SaltarinFeb 8, 20192 votes

All keystones should be open to all champs really

That sounds like a propaganda sentence because looks cool but at the end if we are talking about a game as Lol it just cant happen and there's nothing wrong about that.

Not all champs should be able to use all runes, period.

JaspersFeb 8, 20192 votes

Everyone is equal, just some are more equal than others. :)

I can currently pick every single Keystone on Nami and it should be up to me how I play my champ and how that Keystone benefits me. Obviously some are better than others on certain champs, that's the nature of it but they should still be available.

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

If Conq didn't give true dmg I would be okey with the rune being just for ad and much more better for melee... but with Conq giving true dmg I think it's only fair to give mages the chance to take it as well. Ffs ranged champions, aka mages, will proc it for 3s per proc. Melee, kaa bruisers for 8s per proc. That basically what you wanted... melee will get more benefits. And I hate the "all keystones should NOT be open to all champs" mind set. I want to believe that when Riot made the new rune system they made it with "every champion can use every keystone and not be useless" so making some keystones JUST FOR SOME CHAMPS is just sad. And especially when Conq is the only keystone giving true dmg.

On My Kill ListFeb 8, 20192 votes

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If Conq didn't give true dmg I would be okey with the rune being just for ad and much more better for melee... but with Conq giving true dmg I think it's only fair to give mages the chance to take it as well. Ffs ranged champions, aka mages, will proc it for 3s per proc. Melee, kaa bruisers for 8s per proc. That basically what you wanted... melee will get more benefits. And I hate the "all keystones should NOT be open to all champs" mind set. I want to believe that when Riot made the new rune system they made it with "every champion can use every keystone and not be useless" so making some keystones JUST FOR SOME CHAMPS is just sad. And especially when Conq is the only keystone giving true dmg.

sorry but that mindset doesnt' work for a balanced and fun game. you want everything to be available to everyone? that just doesn't work. that just doesn't work. there is a reason why checks and balances exist. do you not understand how powerful ranged is in this game? were you not around for all the balance mistakes made in the past whenever riot ignored this huge issue? release frozen fist. spirit of the elder lizard. grasp just when people realized how busted it was on ranged. frozen mallet when ranged users realized just how broken it was leading it to getting specifically nerfed because of ranged abuse? why do you want to repeat history so much? what will it take for you to realize some things should not be available to certain classes?

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

Well that's why the 3s/8s thing is a thing. To balance ranged users. Like what the hell. It's probably not even on PBE and you guys are making it like it's pick or ban already. It will very likely get more changes, more nerfs... so why the fuss?

And again... remove the true dmg and I won't give a heck if it will be only for bruisers.

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

The true damage was there for bruiser to fight tanks but you know your here because you dont know anything but you want true damage on mages and dont know why Conq is in the game in the first place so please just play league and focus on ranking up thank you

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

I don't really understand what you are trying to say??

[sg-janna]

But, if I could "balance" the game, I would remove true dmg completely from the game. I hate the concept of it. So yeah... I am not here bc I want true dmg for mages... I am here bc I think, if true dmg is in the game it's only fair that every champ will be allowed to use it.

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

Again it was intended for Bruisers to combat tanks why is it so hard for you to understand that? And no its only fair we nerf mages other than giving them anybuff whats so ever

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

I understand, why they thought Conq is a good thing. It will allow champs fight tanks... but then you look at the game and they are not only fighting tanks you know?? That's why I want true dmg to be removed. Bc it compleat bullthing that as a, idk, mage or support you get melted by Yasuo, Jax, w/e with 2 or 3 AA, even tho you have 2 and more armor items, bc they have so much true dmg.

Iota ThetaFeb 8, 20193 votes

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The true damage was there for bruiser to fight tanks but you know your here because you dont know anything but you want true damage on mages and dont know why Conq is in the game in the first place so please just play league and focus on ranking up thank you

It was there to help fighters fight tanks, but all they did was take the rune, win against tanks, and still build to burst squishier champs. One rune should not be to the point where a build fir killing non-tanks is able to quickly kill tanks at the same time. There’s a reason Armor Penetration items exist

iKumaFeb 8, 20192 votes

AP champs are played on 5 roles and they have access to most keystones in the game and they dont need any more help if at all they need to be nerfed.

Also 3s or 8s doesnt matter when mages can use it better and much more safely than bruisers who are intended class to use conqueror then we have a problem.

This is absurd balance problem and Riot just revert what they did in the PBE

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

And AD champs are played on roles as well?

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Even on supp now we have Pyke. ADCarries are mostly AD, few AP champs are played on bot. JG is, imo, much more AD based. And TOP as well. The only roles where AP champs really take the lead is mid and supps. With supps role being mostly made by support champions.

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

Mages are played on 5 roles. Are ADC played on 5 roles? Are bruisers played on 5 roles? Are assassins played on 5 Roles?

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

You wrote AP CHAMPS in the post I responded not mages. So :shrug: just proof read your posts, bf you post them. ^^

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

AP champs are all mages? building mage items? the same ones? Unlike AD Champs?

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

Since when is Sejuani a mage? Bc she scales with AP... aka AP champ. Same with Chogath (tank) Fizz (assassin) Ivern (enchanter) and I could go on... not every AP champ is mage... lol

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

Cho is a mage build mage items currently fizz is a mage building mage items ivern is a mage building mage items

Mage items are all the same

KioshekFeb 8, 20192 votes

Since when is Cho building AP items? Outside of ARAM he is building tank... look at champion dot gg, pro-build. Almost everyone is playing him as a tank. Fizz and Ivern are not mages, you tell me, that I don't understand the game and then write something like this. My god. Go to your collection in League and select only MAGES... you WON'T find Fizz, Ivern or Cho in there. Seriously..

btw. Love how you skipped Seju.

KioshekFeb 8, 20191 votes

btw. I love how to OC/OP/what ever said "Why mages get to use Conq now?" And his main concerns are Teemo (weird marksmen/mage combo) and Urgot (basically marksmen/bruiser/tank combo.)

iKumaFeb 8, 20191 votes

and I did say combat mages right? like cass ryze azir,ect