Boards›Gameplay

Change/Remove Zhonya's Hourglass active for healther game experience

Slamdunc··2 votes·2,178 views

I propose an idea, and personal opinion that the current active of Zhonya's Hourglass (ZH) should be removed from the game. As a spectator or an opponent, this item just makes me feel disgusted at it's existence. Today while watching the LMQ vs Dignatas match in LCS I observed twice that Twisted Fate was 'skillfully' able to use the ZH active in mid air during Yasuo's ultimate and negate the damage or fact that he was caught out... It just makes me want to shout at the screen "OH COME ON REF!" (For the record I'm not partial to either team, but when someone makes a good play, they should be rewarded... ZH active is no longer a good play in my mind)

For a time it seemed ZH timing was something that required skill, and though sometimes this is still the case, I often find it's just a spam win button when caught. As this game picks up more in overall skill level and practiced/added champions who can save their teammates (Thresh, Braum, Yasuo windwall, Morgana shield, Kayle ult, Zilean ult, Lulu ult, and shields from various team comps) it just seems immunity from ZH active adds too much power in many situations. It's not fun to watch in a professional E-sport, play against, or with... I mean it's hilarious in the way that a bully finds picking on people fun if you're into that sort of thing.

There are a other reasons in general I wish this active were removed.

  1. Help the assassin meta that is currently benched. Particularly Zed.
  2. Speed up game flow. If someone is caught by a pick comp, there should not be a golden ticket out of the damage.
  3. Some of the champions who build this often excel in the back line and have crowd control, which should be enough to save oneself with proper positioning.

However, I do realize that this idea might in fact hurt some combos or assassins who would love to use this after going in to wait for cooldowns Akali, Katarina, Fiddlesticks, Morgana. Mostly older champions who have a hard time getting out of a fight once they're in (unless they get the resets)

I will say it would be nice to see this item's active be on a combined exclusive cooldown with the likes of Quicksilver Sash/Mercurial Scimitar, perhaps with the active instead being "remove all forms of crowd control and give %damage reduction for a short time if you are melee" or keep with the movement speed as well.

I feel as this item is considered necessary as it is the designated AP+Armor item so just I only wish a change in the active.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts, feel free to share yours.

Cheers.

15 Comments

Mattafack1 votes

I do agree that Zhonya's has become the "Oh shit!" button of League, but most often I see negative effects from the active rather than positive. While being able to avoid every skill going your way is great, but you can become out of position in a matter of seconds, and just die right after you come up from golden mode. In the hands of pros, it is such a toxic item it makes me scream. In the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it to it's potential, it can mean death.

Slamdunc1 votes

And I agree with you. There are definitely wrong times to use this item, which is likely why it's still around :P . Its toxicity may just depend on the level of play.

Incredibly Lucid1 votes

The removal of the active just seems too drastic to me and it would completely destroy some champions, like you mentioned. If anything I'd nerf the duration of the stasis to 2.0 seconds and see what happens - there's just too much of the game balance that orbits around this item.

12tales1 votes

Reducing the duration on Zhonya's would be a buff for most champions - if there's a Thresh hook coming towards you, you only want to be in stasis for that one skill shot. Every second you spend frozen in place after that is just putting yourself in greater risk.

Like, imagine if Zhonya's put you in stasis for 6 seconds - using it would be ludicrously risky, and you'd pretty much be out of the fight as soon as it was activated.

Incredibly Lucid1 votes

I don't think you can take any conclusions from that prism. Sure, you're right, it would be a buff in some situations. It would also be a nerf in many situations. Morgana generally doesn't want it to end before her ultimate ends and people can knock her away; Lissandra doesn't want it to end before her team members have enough time to react to her engage or she's fried.

12tales1 votes

I suppose. Generally speaking, though, the shorter the cooldown, the greater the defensive utility of the item.

1 Wing1 votes

yes, some champions would benefit from the change, and some would not. As would be the scenario with many of the recommendations here. Many champions rely on Zonyas heavily, and would simply be weak characters if they didn't have the option to buy Zonyas; or if Zonyas worked in a different way--be that longer or shorter.

Slamdunc1 votes

It would be interesting to see the timer go down just on PBE or something. As stated before by 12Tales this might actually benefit the user, however there are times when it could make it more difficult for aid to arrive. (I would even go far as to say make it a 1 second active during a test phase)

1 Wing1 votes

. . it's called Zonyas hourglass.

Slamdunc1 votes

. . it's called Zonyas hourglass.

I like it... anyone who uses this should be stuck as a golden statue for an entire hour.. the team must play without them.. and they are unable to queue for another game until this hour is up.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

No. Zhonyas is one of the few items,that allows some champs to be viable and is stoping assassins from becoming OP.

Besdies,the assassin mate has been here long enough,time to say bye bye.

Slamdunc1 votes

You make a point, both good and bad

ZH makes AND breaks the game... it destroys the viability of some champs, and is needed for other champions to be viablo.

Personally just adds to my distaste about how much of the game surrounds this one active.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

I get what you are saying.But the problem is assassins in general should be harder to play.

Most assassins can engage a fight,kill a target and get out,that isnt healthy.

Not all champs buy that item,nearly only mages.

Ho1d This Q1 votes

i wouldn't mind if it was removed because i absolutly hate that item but i think it would be a batter idea if they were to make a new item that counters it. like if someone uses the zhonyas active you can use the new items active to knock them out of it. just an idea because i know removing it would tick a lot of people off so i think a new item like that would be a good idea

Nameless Voice1 votes

You're talking about removing Zhonya's Hourglass, which gives you protection if timed right, on a 90 second cooldown, which you claim is no longer a good play or a sign of skill, yet in the same sentence you are talking about Yasuo using his ultimate - which he just has to spam-click the key whenever someone is in the air to get a free dash, damage, armour pen, self-shield... it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Also, you can't use Zhonya's Hourglass while CC'd, unless you also have QSS to un-CC yourself.

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes