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macromite··1 votes·329 views

Don't release solo queue. if solo queue is made, then dynamic queue can no longer exist, which means that all the work that got put into dynamic queue will go away and have been pointless.

the reason is obvious, no? when solo queue gets added, all the solo players will go there, which means four man teams in dynamic queue are no longer possible, which would both increase the amount of solo players and decrease the amount of dynamic queue players. which would increase queue times dramatically. dynamic queue can already have longer queue times, so this increase will probably push an even higher number of people away, and those people still wanting to play with their friends will probably ask for the old duo queue system to come back. if the old duo queue system comes back, then dynamic queue will really be dead, as the only team count that will be viable in dynamic queue past that point is 5. 1 man and two man teams go to solo/duo, and four man and three man teams will never find the players they need to finish their comp.

Instead of recreating soloque, just push for players to band together more, and to be more friendly with each other so that they don't need to solo queue.

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Dreadlocks4 votes

4 man pre-mades is honestly the WORST thing to have in a 5 man game. Many reasons, but the 2 that come to mind are:

1.The solo-q guy generally gets bullied/blamed for any and everything. 2.Lack of communication, because while you 4 are all on the same page, you have a headless chicken trying to play along with a strategy he isn't informed on.

macromite1 votes

both of your points are fully countered on the newness of the system, dynamic queue promotes working with your team, so in time people will start doing this more so. personally i try to keep the rando informed.

Dreadlocks1 votes

so in time people will start doing this more so

And what makes you so sure? I've been playing video games online for 10 years and i can tell you right now, nothing is going to stop anyone from harassing or bulling someone over the internet.

macromite1 votes

bullying and harrassing will never go away entirely, that is true. but when you push them into a corner, where they need to unite or fail, and where the benefits of rallying together outway the euphoria of giving a man your anger, then the system will begin to shine. as it stands this is true of dynamic queue. the best way to succeed is to rally those with you, and to take those that are kind and capable with you in an effort to chase the ever eluding goal of a better rank and a higher understanding of the game.

I used to be a more toxic player, kind of a baby toxic kind of deal, where it never got too out of hand. since dynamic queue was released i have begun focusing more on applauding my allies and their success rather than try to point out all of their flaws, lest that be all they have for me to address.

in a solo queue, you would be capable of trolling and such as much as you would like, with few consequences until riot takes action, due to the nature of online gaming, where unless you actively try, you will never meet the same person again. without a need to join others, and thus no need to focus on impressions and alliance, this will set off the borderline people such as myself. which is also exemplified as both queues can not co-exist.

the newness of the system is also an unfortunate reason as to its demise, people are not used to it yet. if they were to release solo queue, it should have at least waited for a full year to pass, so people would be able to become accustomed to the dynamic queue system before leaving it to die.

Dreadlocks1 votes

My point is, 4 man premades promote toxicity regardless of the intentions.

macromite1 votes

4 man premades will not promote toxicity beyond what solo queue would.

Dreadlocks1 votes

That's where you are wrong.

macromite1 votes

do you have any logic behind your statement, or are you just trying to say something along the lines of I'm right and you're wrong.

I've already put down most of what i think, and why I think the way I do, as well as why i think you're wrong. you've simply stated that you think that it is possible for the solo guy to get bullied. this isn't a guarantee, however, and is specific to certain cases.

and your lack of communication point is also void because it is normal for one or two player each game to just ignore everyone else anyway, what with people trying to avoid toxic by muting everyone at the beginning of game, and people just being dense in general and ignoring pings.

You're points are countered with logic and a few facts that I do not have graphs for, but have witnessed. I could sully up a large amount of information, but I believe that it would be a waste of my time, because there is no way to actually convince people like you, people that see one way and don't change direction.

and before you call me one of those, originally i was for solo queue, I have since relised the failings of having both systems, and the problems that inherently lie from having a soloqueue system.

Dreadlocks1 votes

This comes from personal experience. I have been a victim of more toxicity from 4 man-premades than i have in a solo q game. Because in a solo q game, i might get flamed by 1 or 2 ppl, but in a 4 man its all 4. To further my point.. I've been in that 4 man pre-made that has talked shit about the solo guy. Its not opinion, its fact. People feel safer talking shit when they have someone to back them up.

Tormentula2 votes

The only concern i had was what if we were doing a 4 man premade, who would the soloq player be? Are we going back to the days of solo/duo and 5v5 instead of triples and quadriples?

Don't get me wrong, it's better that riot does add a soloq, but I feel like dynamic q (which the system is pretty trash let's be honest) would lose the only quality it had to it, being able to do full ranked teams to climb.

macromite1 votes

dynamic would lose everything, and become useless. solo players are required to fill out the system and to lower queue times as well.

TheVishual1 votes

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Don't release solo queue. if solo queue is made, then dynamic queue can no longer exist, which means that all the work that got put into dynamic queue will go away and have been pointless.

the reason is obvious, no? when solo queue gets added, all the solo players will go there, which means four man teams in dynamic queue are no longer possible, which would both increase the amount of solo players and decrease the amount of dynamic queue players. which would increase queue times dramatically. dynamic queue can already have longer queue times, so this increase will probably push an even higher number of people away, and those people still wanting to play with their friends will probably ask for the old duo queue system to come back. if the old duo queue system comes back, then dynamic queue will really be dead, as the only team count that will be viable in dynamic queue past that point is 5. 1 man and two man teams go to solo/duo, and four man and three man teams will never find the players they need to finish their comp.

Instead of recreating soloque, just push for players to band together more, and to be more friendly with each other so that they don't need to solo queue.

People wanted the features of dynamic queue... no one asked for it to allow for premades past duo queue

DQ and solo q will be exactly the same just DQ should be the new 5v5 ranked and solo q is solo

macromite1 votes

it needs to stay as is, as it adds a dynamic that no other queue has ever done before, adding the ability to play with friends without having specific times, specific numbers, or specific friends to play with. it is a step in the right direction to not require a player to work alone, but to give them the option.

TheVishual1 votes

{quoted}

it needs to stay as is, as it adds a dynamic that no other queue has ever done before, adding the ability to play with friends without having specific times, specific numbers, or specific friends to play with. it is a step in the right direction to not require a player to work alone, but to give them the option.

you've been able to do that since the game started, its called blind pick and normal draft you mong

macromite1 votes

both of those are also the breeding grounds of unintuitive boring play. places where nothing matters, and no one cares. there is no weight behind loss, and therefore no penalty for playing stupidly. that is not a game that I choose to play.

Miror B1 votes

See, I'd much rather see more actual modes either brought back (URF would be really interesting with all the new characters to abuse) or created. Despite the company being called "Riot Games", there's literally only 1 map/mode that people play in LoL. Because of this, I can see much of their audience leaving in a year/moving on due to the typical trends of the gaming industry combined (in that people get easily bored/are always looking to try out new ideas). Solo-queue is nice and all, but at the end of the day 1 mode is only going to attract/keep one audience whereas multiple modes can potentially draw in more numbers.

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