Remove Duskblade, Buff Assassins

f0tzepirat·Jan 8, 2019·59 votes·16,626 views

Remove Duskblade and Buff the champions that benefit from it so that we have to rely more on individual champion skill than just aa 'ing your opponent for free dmg. Since all the assassins are balanced around this Item it's a must buy if you want to kill anything. This also takes a lot of variety out of the assassin build paths and shortens the gap between good and bad assassin players. I main Zed and i love oneshotting people when i play it perfectly, but if i miss all my q's i shouldn't get a kill. At the moment Ult + Duskblade Proc + E + ignite (and the resulting free electrocute proc, which btw deals way too much dmg, like all these new runes) is enough to take 80% of my enemys health at level 6. How is this healthy?

Buff the Champion's kits to reward skilled players.

Remove free damage that takes zero skill to apply.

Thank you.

94 Comments

2Charmnot2CharmJan 8, 201920 votes

I dont even care about the damage duskblade gives, I'm more mad about the stupid dewarding passive on it.

Legit the only class that can place wards down constantly is the support role because they are the only ones that can get on demand Green wards.

Laners have to wait minutes just for 1 yellow trinket to be ready again, and only 1 control ward can be placed down at any given time per player. If the rest of your team is full of monkeys the vision is going to be too dark to do anything.

Marian CrossJan 8, 20193 votes

right! like riot nerfs vision like 3 seasons in a row and this item makes a assassin and a sweeper plus some. basically making it impossible to keep good wards in the game to get your team back in.

Death by GlamourJan 8, 20195 votes

I'm more mad about the stupid dewarding passive on it.

glad its just not me that's mad about that

OrangeMarineJan 8, 20192 votes

wards are a waste of gold and dont matter any more.

item 3340 item 2055 is enough.

save that gold for dmg snowball the game and that's how you win now.

they have systematically lowered the strategic depth of this game and wards too have lost value

it's not about macro, its about killing champ and snowballing and then deathballing into objectives and snowballing more, diving recklessly with leads bc towers do fuckall

LTK KoRoJan 9, 20193 votes

tbh, there was no "strategic depth" with supports littering every bush on the map like in season 2. Playing with limited vision is more skillful than placing vision

Edge of DaybreakJan 8, 201915 votes

I get the feeling that people are upvoting purely for the remove duskblade portion because boards screams bloody murder when assassins get their actual kits buffed

xDogMeatxJan 8, 201914 votes

yes it destroys wards in one hit just because it can whats the point in warding anymore if riot nerfed wards that much.

Blackfin97Jan 8, 20193 votes

Riot loves catering to noobs because there are so many of them feeding the game.

OrangeMarineJan 8, 20191 votes

yep warding requires too much thought

gut it

I am Bill MurrayJan 8, 20192 votes

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yep warding requires too much thought

gut it

I remember the good ole days when you could have ward wars.... and could have every bush warded in the game

Akali is SO HOTJan 9, 20196 votes

Melee champions don't have the luxury of being able to immediately start auto attacking a ward when it is revealed. They made that change so there would be less instances where you were in the middle of killing a ward, but didn't because the timer ran out.

Metal JannaJan 9, 20192 votes

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Melee champions don't have the luxury of being able to immediately start auto attacking a ward when it is revealed. They made that change so there would be less instances where you were in the middle of killing a ward, but didn't because the timer ran out.

What timer?

SSW TalonJan 9, 20193 votes

The ward reveal timer I would imagine, the passive only lasts so long once it has proced

Metal JannaJan 9, 20191 votes

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The ward reveal timer I would imagine, the passive only lasts so long once it has proced

Oh you're right. I thought it lasted indefinitely but rereading the wiki entry... that's wrong. It's actually 8 seconds. 8 seconds seems like long enough for anyone to walk up and hit a ward three times even if they don't have any AS but what do I know?

xDogMeatxJan 12, 20191 votes

Actually its a 1 shot if you have duskblade melee.

SuffocateMeDaddyJan 8, 201914 votes

better idea, remove duskblade and dont buff assassins.

Zed geniusJan 8, 20194 votes

Perma ban assassin mains' accounts too while you're at it

Reaper ClawsJan 8, 20193 votes

Okay, "Zed genius."

Zed geniusJan 9, 20192 votes

: )

Meredith StoutJan 8, 201910 votes

Duskblade assassins, remove buffs

ModAcademy KaynJan 8, 20196 votes

People forget the reason why assassin items were added into the game in the first place. The entire reason was to remove power from the assassin's kits, and place them into their own specialized items, that they'd appreciate. The problem plenty of folk had, before things like Duskblade were added, was that assassins were doing a lot without any items.

PaffWasTakenJan 8, 20195 votes

Assassins already had far enough compensation buffs each time duskblade and electrocute were touched. Remove the item first, ~~THEN~~ buff those who fall too much after we can see if they actually need them. They were already ok before their kits got powercrept, lets not make them even bigger by fear of not seeing a zed every 3 games

OrangeMarineJan 8, 20192 votes

thats not how it works. Riot always edges on the side of leaving champs too strong, because that promotes skin sales.

they will almost never overnerf a champ and then bring them up to par, bc when a champ is trash tier people, people who aren't mains won't play it, they'll abuse whatever else is strong, so skin sales go down.

LTK KoRoJan 9, 20193 votes

They were ok before assassin update Then assassin update gutted them, and then duskblade was added in a current version

Most of current assassins rely 100% on this crutch item, and with removal of it they'll be gutted again

Blackfin97Jan 8, 20194 votes

Increase the cost of Duskblade ffs, at the very least.

The item is ridiculously cheap for the cooldown reduction, lethality AND the passives it provides. Imo duskblade needs to be priced at at least 3000 gold, if not higher.

It's better if they remove it all together.

Arcane Blue BoiJan 8, 20192 votes

item 3285 item 3095 item 3153 item 3146 item 3147 some first items bought by damage dealers notice the difference?

Ðu Šhiedah Jan 8, 20194 votes

As a assassin Main (Kayn,Talon,Rengar) I agree Duskblade became the most unbalanced items since i have joined the game if they reworked it or removed it they have to buff every assassin who have to buy it (Quinn and MF are not included and any other marksman) !

NetorareJan 8, 20194 votes

Lethality ruined assassins but removing that abomination of item 3147 is also good.

NaalithJan 8, 20194 votes

As someone who plays every class, I'm alright with Duskblade. An upfront burst damage item for the upfront burst damage class? I'm not opposed. Assassins are also the most hated class by far so I don't think people will ever not be mad about them.

If the vision passive has to go I'm okay with that. Obviously people will still know when there is vision because of the damage portion but actually clearing wards (and in one hit) is a little crazy. I also think mid laning assassins like Zed and Talon should be nerfed in general, jungle assassins aren't nearly as annoying or binary in terms of being OP or useless. Playing mid as a classic mage against assassins is horrible and there's literally 0 way to win if the assassin player doesn't make mistakes.

A Kniƒe CatJan 8, 20194 votes

Remember when Zed could buy BoRK or Hydra without being a troll lol

Zeppelins circusJan 9, 20192 votes

If they ever return DFG with a dewarding passive, the boards will go nuts. Why does this even exist?

GilgayuJan 9, 20192 votes

Tbh, only in less than 20% of the games ad assassins play, they realize that first passive of duskblade is making the difference. People mainly get duskblade because of the ad/cdr/and lethality, which most lethality items provide, but duskblade's second passive of seeing wards is one of the reason it becomes a first item.

Changing that bonus damage from auto attack to all damage sources might make it more useful, but we don't want it to become the new DH.

Ad assassins have always been able to put out more consistant damage because after all, their auto hurts more than ap assassins (except akali or even diana).

The Highest NoonJan 9, 20192 votes

Buff assassins again?

l love AhriJan 9, 20194 votes

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Buff assassins again?

Yes because they are dogshit without Duskblade

The Highest NoonJan 9, 20192 votes

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Yes because they are dogshit without Duskblade

I'unno, man...Talon's just fine with it...with his double ignite and all...

VolatileAkaliJan 9, 20191 votes

He mean't overall, the most assassins who get affected should be buffed. So if talon is slightly weaker than with out dusk, then it justifies your saying that he doesn't need dusk.

The Highest NoonJan 9, 20192 votes

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He mean't overall, the most assassins who get affected should be buffed. So if talon is slightly weaker than with out dusk, then it justifies your saying that he doesn't need dusk.

TBH it's not really that most AD assassins need it. It just makes their jobs a lot easier.

This game is changing so fast that it kinda makes having a proper analysis of anything difficult. Most assassins were already buffed heavily at one point, Talon included, then Dusk is even stronger for them. I can't say they're weak without it, but then again when it was added I believe they slightly nerfed assassins because of it? Something like that. To remove it and buff them just kinda returns them to how they were.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

No they need it, they're balanced heavily around it.

Sure if they aren't a lot weaker without it if they take it out from the game, then your right, but I believe that your wrong.

The Highest NoonJan 10, 20192 votes

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No they need it, they're balanced heavily around it.

Sure if they aren't a lot weaker without it if they take it out from the game, then your right, but I believe that your wrong.

It's not exactly my opinion, just experience. Duskblade only actually matters for first encounters, or champions that have stealth mechanics. And junglers. Otherwise, it's just...more damage that can be replaced. All in all, if you're not constantly utilizing Duskblade with stealthing abilities or you're not one-shotting people, you don't really need it.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

It can be replaced by what? Yeah sure for some champions it's just damage, but there aren't any item to replace a good-ass item like it. Unless they get a new item that replaces somehow, then sure it can be replaced, but right now it's an item that AD assassins don't even try to NOT get. Even Kha'Zix waits his complete jungle item for dusk.

The Highest NoonJan 10, 20191 votes

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It can be replaced by what? Yeah sure for some champions it's just damage, but there aren't any item to replace a good-ass item like it. Unless they get a new item that replaces somehow, then sure it can be replaced, but right now it's an item that AD assassins don't even try to NOT get. Even Kha'Zix waits his complete jungle item for dusk.

Again, it's a good item if you're either always using it's ability or are one-shotting people. That's it's overall condition--stealth and one shots. In the case where you're not doing much of either, get something else. That's why I say it's replaceable, in that specific circumstance.

Funny thing is, all AD assassins have stealth mechanics (or an equivalent workaround such as Nocturne's Ult)

In the event that they add an AD assassin that doesn't have stealth and doesn't have long-range distance closers, it'll be a wasted item on them in the general sense. It's always good for general ganks though, hence why I added junglers to the list of those that benefit from it.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

Yeah sure all your points are right, but Riot will probably never remove dusk, because it's a easy-ish item to balance AD assassins, pretty much like gunblade for AP assassins.

The Highest NoonJan 10, 20191 votes

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Yeah sure all your points are right, but Riot will probably never remove dusk, because it's a easy-ish item to balance AD assassins, pretty much like gunblade for AP assassins.

That's true, but in Gunblade's case I think that's more a matter of hybrid scaling lol

Which reminds me that they removed the purely AP healing item. We've got an AD heal and a hybrid heal, but not AP anymore. Sad.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

Yeah which made Akali's heal from decent to insane, which is why people hate Akali, but never blame Hextech Gunblade.

If Gunblade is removed, Akali wouldn't be much of an Akali without it.

The Highest NoonJan 10, 20191 votes

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Yeah which made Akali's heal from decent to insane, which is why people hate Akali, but never blame Hextech Gunblade.

If Gunblade is removed, Akali wouldn't be much of an Akali without it.

Das true. Akali needs her one hybrid item. I mean, there's Rageblade but who tf goes Rageblade Akali in 20189

VolatileAkaliJan 11, 20191 votes

Yeah rage blade is trash on her no matter what.

The Highest NoonJan 11, 20191 votes