kayle's e is changed to a toggle skill

aldlv13·Feb 19, 2015·4 votes·1,185 views

none of the stats change, costs 4.5 mana per second while active (cost 45 now for a 10 second period), and can be toggled on a 2 second cooldown.

how does she change?

15 Comments

SlytherinUmbreonFeb 19, 20155 votes

What about Costing Mana per Auto instead? Jinx

SpookzieFeb 19, 20151 votes

That's what i was about to mention. Costing mana per attack seems better imho.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 19, 20154 votes

A lot of the early-game counterplay to Kayle relies on waiting for her E to be down. This would remove that interaction, unless you change something else about it as well.

ZahzFeb 19, 20151 votes

perma ranged attack would be achieved almost immediately with a few points in the first row of the utility tree granting 3 manaregen

aldlv13Feb 19, 20151 votes

that really doesnt change anything as it can already be reactivated as soon as it ends and you would regenerate the same amount of mana while it is active now as if you activated it for 10 seconds if it were toggle

Ser GarlandFeb 19, 20151 votes

that's only if you build that necessary 20 percent cool down item. A toggle able ability could open up new possibilities for build paths, and her early game wouldn't be gimped

WhereTheNamesAtFeb 19, 20151 votes

She's already been nerfed hard enough where she can barely carry games. This would kill her and make her lower than Azir tier right now. She'll will literally never be picked, EVER.

DisasterSolaFeb 19, 20151 votes

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She's already been nerfed hard enough where she can barely carry games. This would kill her and make her lower than Azir tier right now. She'll will literally never be picked, EVER.

I think toggles are quite a good way to go about timed buffs which drastically change a champions playstyle. And you could also change it so that, specifically, her AA range is a toggle and the AoE is a timed buff that adds splash damage to basic attacks.

WhereTheNamesAtFeb 19, 20151 votes

Kayle's gameplay revolves around her being ranged for a period of time. If she runs oom in lane she will always get out traded without her E. OP is suggesting that all Kayle's have exactly a 1.0 AS ratio to make the toggle seem fair. But what does the average Kayle build look like, most rush a Nashor's tooth item 3115 and then may also pick up a Runaan's Hurricane for more AS item 3085 , because she scales really well with it. This would put her well over a 1.5 AS ratio and would make her run out of mana 50% faster.

Major SparklesFeb 19, 20151 votes

why?

WhereTheNamesAtFeb 19, 20151 votes

She will run out of mana to fast. that's why

Major SparklesFeb 19, 20151 votes

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She will run out of mana to fast. that's why

according to the OP's definition you'd use exactly the same amount of mana that you do now.

WhereTheNamesAtFeb 19, 20151 votes

I literally just explained this…OP's suggestion only works if Kayle has a perfect 1.0 AS ratio. But what do most Kayle's build? they build attack speed. First item is usually nashor's tooth and then followed by runaan's hurricane. Which would put her well over a 1.0 AS ratio (even without hurricane would still put her over that ratio). So in ten autos she will lose 45 mana, where with the current system she would be able to get about 17+ autos off and still lose 45 mana.

Slamurai JackFeb 19, 20151 votes

Huge buff, particularly for Mid and Jungle Kayle. Riot please.

ProvengreilFeb 23, 20151 votes

This sounds like a QOL buff on it's face, but is, in truth, a pretty drastic nerf. I've ended certain kayle builds with like 2.2 attack speed. Even late game I'd be OOM very fast. She already has...not the best mana, and gets bullied by most people because her base damages are a bit low, and her attack speed to ramp up her passive got a significant nerf when they last changed anything. By needing her W (large mana cost) to sustain, her Q MUST be part of trades to win them, and now my autos use as much if not more mana...no. Her already low pick rate and lackluster feel until like your fourth item just get worse.