Support Item Quests PBE

PostalCoin·Oct 23, 2019·17 votes·9,970 views

So with the new changes on PBE, the gold generation for supports ends when your quest completes. In my limited experience on PBE, you get to about one or one and a half items and then the gold generation passive is disabled. This means that to get gold, you have to list hit. But taking farm from your team is bad, as your carries need to gold more than you. So since your gold generation is disabled and you can't last hit, it feels like you are perpetually stuck at one completed item. Please consider removing the gold generation disable or adding another way for supports to get gold!

24 Comments

Póppy ChuloOct 24, 20192 votes

Correct me if i am wrong... But dont you normally get up to about 1500 currently on a good game?? And then have to use that gold on upgrading it...

Regardless, supports shouldnt be generating as much gold as anybody else on the team, like the good ol days.

Daedric EtwahlOct 24, 20193 votes

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Correct me if i am wrong... But dont you normally get up to about 1500 currently on a good game?? And then have to use that gold on upgrading it...

Regardless, supports shouldnt be generating as much gold as anybody else on the team, like the good ol days.

"Like the good ol days"

You mean the days when supports were expected to spend all their income on wards and be the little bitch for the team? Supports aren't generating as much gold as their allies unless they get a lot of kills and assists

Póppy ChuloOct 24, 20192 votes

Like the good ol days when soraka wasnt an AP mage and my lux "support" wasnt out damaging my mid laner

Daedric EtwahlOct 25, 20191 votes

Soraka isn't an AP Mage though so not sure what you're getting at

Also if you're taking damage done graphs as a sign of outdamaging your midlaner it's best to keep in mind that a Lux support is spending the entirety of lane phase constantly poking and fighting two enemies as opposed to the one in mid, plus she doesn't have to worry about farming either, which means that's all she needs to do

The WindbellOct 23, 20191 votes

Agree. Furthermore, the farm penalty is not removed at completion, which makes even farming impossible...

Done25Oct 23, 20195 votes

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Agree. Furthermore, the farm penalty is not removed at completion, which makes even farming impossible...

Wait, the penalty isn't removed? Holy fuck. I hope that's just a PBE bug...

Light of MadnessOct 23, 20191 votes

HAHAHAHA RIOT OMG

I won't play season 10, every time is more amazing the things I see

The WindbellOct 23, 20192 votes

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Wait, the penalty isn't removed? Holy fuck. I hope that's just a PBE bug...

I don't know, but I wish it's a bug too... Furthermore, support items don't have mana regen now, which makes AP supports as Zyra and Lux suffer...

GinoSoldierOct 23, 20195 votes

Zyra and Lux (and Brand, Velkoz and Xerath and debatably Morgana) aren't supports and scale better off of straight mana anyway. Get them back to midlane. Somehow.

That said, while the maths adds up and the gold you're expected to get from both not having to upgrade the item and from the quest gold income adds up to what would currently be a good game, it still feels really bad to hit a point in the game where you no longer have a that income.

Done25Oct 23, 20194 votes

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Zyra and Lux (and Brand, Velkoz and Xerath and debatably Morgana) aren't supports and scale better off of straight mana anyway. Get them back to midlane. Somehow.

That said, while the maths adds up and the gold you're expected to get from both not having to upgrade the item and from the quest gold income adds up to what would currently be a good game, it still feels really bad to hit a point in the game where you no longer have a that income.

Lux and Morgana can easily function off a support's lower income with their high levels of CC. Players die of old age before Morg's max level Q snare wears off.

xelakerOct 23, 20191 votes

You aren't gonna get mages out of support unless you buff enchanters and tank supports to the old level where there were the only support meta. Damage is the meta right now, of course any cc mage is gonna go to support roles. Enchanters and healers can barely block 1 spell with most shields and heals, and tank supports just get roasted without being a kill lane with a hook.

Daedric EtwahlOct 24, 20191 votes

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I don't know, but I wish it's a bug too... Furthermore, support items don't have mana regen now, which makes AP supports as Zyra and Lux suffer...

Wait, they don't?? Goddamn forget Lux and Zyra that's gonna hurt Sona real fucking bad

GinoSoldierOct 24, 20191 votes

Not that much, from the game i played. First back Tear/Chalice is easy to pull off. Something MAJORLY important is that the cash items also don't have proc damage anymore, so lane survivability just went up a crank.

MrTVEyeOct 24, 20192 votes

Riot f*cks supports (again ) in multiple ways. Coin is removed, the only way to get gold in very unfavorable matchups. Botlane XP gets lowered, The support Items, you can't generate gold actively after "quest" ist finished you will fall behind even more than before the longer the game goes , and while you save the money to upgrade your support item (what was only done with relic to tier 3, spellthiefs and coin wasn't gold efficient to upgrade to tier 3 anyways), it get's less stats. Less AP, less health, no mana on spellthiefs, no heal when sharing minions and CDR on relic.

Will be even more fun to play support, when you are not only 40% behind in gold and levels compared to sololaners/junglers, but 50-60%. Even as a tank you will be just a victim the whole game.

Definitely time to move away from support and look for another role. No problem in supporting the team and not being the big carry but if your role just gets utterly useless and you haven no impact at all, this is really not fun to play anymore.

CaptainAntiHerozOct 23, 20191 votes

pretty sure it only fully upgrades at 1000 gold now 500 being its first upgrade

and because they are putting more focus on dragons I'm pretty sure they want supports to be making gold of helping to kill dragon and making plays around it

SukishooOct 23, 20191 votes

You still gain gold from attacking enemies or killing minions based on which one you have. You just lose 2 gold per 10 passive. So you're still getting gold.

waterflame1Oct 24, 20193 votes

I believe it is the opposite, you keep the gp/10 but lose the active way of getting gold.

SukishooOct 24, 20191 votes

Well w/e, you still get gold from it.

ProfirixOct 24, 20192 votes

You lose the 'targon' or 'spellthief' effect, not the passive gold gen.

Tr4shB4NSYST3MOct 24, 20191 votes

Wow, thats so lame. And I bet anything its primarily to be a nerf to stuff like Sona/taric and Garen/yuumi where both botlaners take a support item. But in truth it is a broad strokes BIG nerf to all supports. This is just more proof riot doesnt know wtf theyre doing as far as balancing this game.

OmarWottOct 23, 20191 votes

can't you just sell the item and rebuy it for more gold? i have not tested them much due to what i can ran into on my first game but maybe you have a way around it