Core Complaints about the Preseason

Night of Styx··3 votes·516 views

Riot, here are the two core complaints about the Preseason patch:

  1. Too many changes at the same time: Yes, summoners love changes, but there is a certain level that we can accept and adjust to these changes; if a patch goes beyond this level and brings excessive new things at a moment, we feel exhausted and lost the familiarity to the game. The suggestion is, if you wanna redefine marksmen, you can modify their abilities but keep their items and masteries stable, or you can think of altering items and masteries gradually in later patches, don't throw all the things to us concurrently. For me, I don't think I am slow in accepting changes, I reached the ELO at D3 and ended S5 with Platinum, but I still feel dizzy when looking at the introduction of 5.22.
    There is no such equation: the more content you change, the more enjoyable summoners will be. You already did a nice job for making more than 100 champions in the league, don't push yourself as well as summoners too much for adding new things to the game. It is not easy for us to feel bored about the game since there are lots of champions we can choose to play, lots of skills and strategies to learn and lots of skins to obtain. However, if you change the game over frequently and arbitrarily, you are shaking the foundation of summoners' interest. "Reformation" is good, but "revolution" is risky. Try to do some modest changes to the game, don't always make us feel we are playing a new game.
  2. Too many OP things: there are already enough complaints from other summoners, just pay attention to their opinions. The suggestion is, if you buff marksmen, try not to nerf the items of mages and tanks simultaneously.

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Night of Styx2 votes

seems like most summoners do not like the new updates

Sightless661 votes

Well, most of the people on Boards don't, but of course they don't. They never do. They're negative about pretty much everything. I can think about about two or three patches in the last year that weren't met primarily with hate. It's just what the Boards do. The content doesn't matter at all.

People who are happy with the game don't feel compelled to post here. They'll just play instead. People don't come here unless they're pissed about something, and if they do they get driven off by everyone who is pissed at something.

just pay attention to their opinions.

Yeah, because the Boards are a great source of information for the developers. They never have kneejerk reactions to things and they never overreact and they never speak. We've never Skarner had any problemsDarius come about fromGaren listening to this placeMordekaiser .

I mean, if we listened to boards, we'd have to believe that all tanks and AP carries are just useless. Meanwhile, the top 10 winrates for the first 2 days of this patch are Trynd, Brand, and 8 tanks. That says something to me about how much we should trust this forum's word on anything. At the very least, it tells me to wait for some real data before taking the Boards at face value.

The suggestion is, if you wanna redefine marksmen, you can modify their abilities but keep their items and masteries stable, or you can think of altering items and masteries gradually in later patches, don't throw all the things to us concurrently.

Nah. Gotta disagree. If the goal is to differentiate them, then there's no reason to hold back on parts of the. There's no chance of this working without adding in the new item options and without adding in the reworked champions that we want to use them. We can't evaluate the success of either change without having the other change, so all we stand to do is delay the end result massively. There is going to be imbalance with changes this large. That won't change no matter how much you prolong it. Better to get it over with so you can effectively address problems.

Night of Styx1 votes

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Well, most of the people on Boards don't, but of course they don't. They never do. They're negative about pretty much everything. I can think about about two or three patches in the last year that weren't met primarily with hate. It's just what the Boards do. The content doesn't matter at all.

People who are happy with the game don't feel compelled to post here. They'll just play instead. People don't come here unless they're pissed about something, and if they do they get driven off by everyone who is pissed at something.

Yeah, because the Boards are a great source of information for the developers. They never have kneejerk reactions to things and they never overreact and they never speak. We've never Skarner had any problemsDarius come about fromGaren listening to this placeMordekaiser .

I mean, if we listened to boards, we'd have to believe that all tanks and AP carries are just useless. Meanwhile, the top 10 winrates for the first 2 days of this patch are Trynd, Brand, and 8 tanks. That says something to me about how much we should trust this forum's word on anything. At the very least, it tells me to wait for some real data before taking the Boards at face value.

Nah. Gotta disagree. If the goal is to differentiate them, then there's no reason to hold back on parts of the. There's no chance of this working without adding in the new item options and without adding in the reworked champions that we want to use them. We can't evaluate the success of either change without having the other change, so all we stand to do is delay the end result massively. There is going to be imbalance with changes this large. That won't change no matter how much you prolong it. Better to get it over with so you can effectively address problems.

I do not think Riot had done enough research before they implemented the Preseason patch. The main issue is not merely the quantity of the change, but the quality. Many champs' abilities became abnormal. For instance, Kog's W: It is not about OP; it is about logical or illogical - a champ should not attack 5 times in 1s, considering the framework of the game - it looks weird. I am not sure if you understand my point.

Tricycle Cop1 votes

My main problem is that everyone and their mother is an AD Carry now. Jungle graves...Caitlin bot....kindred top and then they just throw who the fucking ever mid.

I hated the masteries, but after a day I figured everything out. Managed to get my 45 CDR so I'm happy.

As far as mages go not having that much of an issue. For Ahri I invested more into Cunning and Ferocity. 18 Cunning. 12 Ferocity. The removal of stealth wards really fucked me over. I'm used to switching out my trinket for sweeping lens and then buying 3 stealth wards...so that was a major fuck you to me and a lot of other players by riot.

Mana pots removal is pretty stupid...you might as well remove Health pots too. They fucked over Mages far too much. The patch requires a lot of readjustment and familiarization. Idk why the duck they focused on ADC so much as if a fed ADC wasn't enough to deal with already... yas is just fucking ridiculous now as if he wasn't already before.

Night of Styx1 votes

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My main problem is that everyone and their mother is an AD Carry now. Jungle graves...Caitlin bot....kindred top and then they just throw who the fucking ever mid.

I hated the masteries, but after a day I figured everything out. Managed to get my 45 CDR so I'm happy.

As far as mages go not having that much of an issue. For Ahri I invested more into Cunning and Ferocity. 18 Cunning. 12 Ferocity. The removal of stealth wards really fucked me over. I'm used to switching out my trinket for sweeping lens and then buying 3 stealth wards...so that was a major fuck you to me and a lot of other players by riot.

Mana pots removal is pretty stupid...you might as well remove Health pots too. They fucked over Mages far too much. The patch requires a lot of readjustment and familiarization. Idk why the duck they focused on ADC so much as if a fed ADC wasn't enough to deal with already... yas is just fucking ridiculous now as if he wasn't already before.

I agree with you and I do think the S6 Preseason is the worst change since S2

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