I mean seriously, you are OK with Riven doing 3 Q and 2 AA in like 1-2 sec?
If there is something going to fix that right now, please at least give some hint. Give us hope. We need that to play your game right now.
O Fallen Scholar6 votesIf Riven loses her anim.cancelling she will become garbage lol.
She needs some sort of compensation buffs then.
And anim.cancelling is the only thing which keeps her in the game at the moment. It's a fact.
rockdalian2 votesIf Riven loses her anim.cancelling she will become garbage lol.
She needs some sort of compensation buffs then.
And anim.cancelling is the only thing which keeps her in the game at the moment.
That's understandable I agree but I think animation canceling goes against what she was meant to be and I think honestly all animation canceling needs to go to me it's like doing something but not doing it I can't aa cancel on trynd why not that's not fair if riven can and that's why it all needs to go so everyone's on the same level
Silvonius4 votesGetting rid of mechanics makes the game less skill based. I think it's fine to keep this the way it is
YumaS2Astral2 votesGetting rid of mechanics makes the game less skill based. I think it's fine to keep this the way it is
The problem is when those are hidden mechanics and only a few players are able to pull it off
Which is different from skill.
Mandang02 votesIt makes balancing the champion a lot more difficult. Either you know the exploi...err, "mechanics", or you don't. Riven's not even the most obvious example - look at all the Rengar cheese through the years. Same exact thing!
TyroneWatermelon1 votesGetting rid of mechanics makes the game less skill based. I think it's fine to keep this the way it is
Riven has no mechanics
Mr Broken Wings3 votesIt makes her a harder champion and makes a simple kit more challenging, deleting this keyaspect of an already overnerfed champion would kill her viability ( she could use buffs ALREADY but thats another story), she would need HUGE buffs as compensation and would be an even bigger low elo nightmare. It would hurt good rivens and buff stupid silver scrub rivens, do you REALLY want that? No. People really should think once before they ask for something lol. W/e, its gameplay and balance, good threads are rare anyway, it just bothers me how stupid some ideas are..
rockdalian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dM93rwzE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-07-21T16:28:59.307+0000)
It makes her a harder champion and makes a simple kit more challenging, deleting this keyaspect of an already overnerfed champion would kill her viability ( she could use buffs ALREADY but thats another story), she would need HUGE buffs as compensation and would be an even bigger low elo nightmare. It would hurt good rivens and buff stupid silver scrub rivens, do you REALLY want that? No. People really should think once before they ask for something lol. W/e, its gameplay and balance, good threads are rare anyway, it just bothers me how stupid some ideas are..
So my thinking is yeah huge buffs allow her her full damage and in a spell rotation maybe 6-8 seconds for all damage in a trade vs same damage in 1.67 seconds yeah I'll take the first animation canceling just changed her from brawler to assassin but she is not an assassin I think you are wrong I think buffing her and taking away animation canceling will give her more counterplay and won't be that bad at low Elo
Mr Broken Wings3 votesSo my thinking is yeah huge buffs allow her her full damage and in a spell rotation maybe 6-8 seconds for all damage in a trade vs same damage in 1.67 seconds yeah I'll take the first animation canceling just changed her from brawler to assassin but she is not an assassin I think you are wrong I think buffing her and taking away animation canceling will give her more counterplay and won't be that bad at low Elo
You obviously dont understand what aa animation canceling does, it doesnt make her combo significantly faster, its 1 aa in one combo that goes through more. She wont ever need 6-8 seconds. What you suggest is a simple deletion of a interesting kit with a lot of counterplay actually. People in low elo just make a lot of mistakes and riven is pretty good at punishing stupid players. Her kit isnt an "brawler" kit, never was, never will be, also a 6-8 second combo on a squishy will completly make her useless but obviously you dont thought about that.
rockdalian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dM93rwzE,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-07-21T16:46:37.602+0000)
You obviously dont understand what aa animation canceling does, it doesnt make her combo significantly faster, its 1 aa in one combo that goes through more. She wont ever need 6-8 seconds. What you suggest is a simple deletion of a interesting kit with a lot of counterplay actually. People in low elo just make a lot of mistakes and riven is pretty good at punishing stupid players. Her kit isnt an "brawler" kit, never was, never will be, also a 6-8 second combo on a squishy will completly make her useless but obviously you dont thought about that.
Ok good point the numbers were just for example however she is a fighter skirmished that's what she was meant for she was meant to 1v1 not blow everything in her sight up in a second and besides that why is it ok for her but not the other 100 champions that can't it is an unfair mechanic and yes when a riven can 100-0 a 2500 health mundo with 150 armor and ultimate going under his tower taking cleaver, fire damage, turret shot and still take no damage from the exchange that's kinda bs no matter the champ
Posui Gart2 votesIf animation cancelling is a must on her, then maybe just remove her animations at all? Right now it looks like "Here is a champion that is useless unless you learn how to abuse cancelling, and then she is actually strong". No other champion requires abusing a bug to be useful. Riot either have to make this mechanic intentional by removing all her animation times at all(probably with compensation nerfs, not sure about it) or make all her animations uncancellable(probably with some buffs)
TyroneWatermelon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Posui Gart,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dM93rwzE,comment-id=0005000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-21T17:00:23.147+0000)
If animation cancelling is a must on her, then maybe just remove her animations at all? Right now it looks like "Here is a champion that is useless unless you learn how to abuse cancelling, and then she is actually strong". No other champion requires abusing a bug to be useful. Riot either have to make this mechanic intentional by removing all her animation times at all(probably with compensation nerfs, not sure about it) or make all her animations uncancellable(probably with some buffs)
she is broken and useful without animation cancelling,stomping any top laner -_-
UdoIkOSc4u2 votesthey'll do the same thing they did with lee sin nothing
FaceBiscuits2 votesRiot would rather call this animation cancel bug an intended feature rather than addressing the issue because they are scared of the backlash all the Riven "mains" would pile on them.
ShinTwist2 votesWhy does everyone parrot "animation cancelling is unintended/an expoit" as though it's fact? Morello mentioned her ability to animation cancel before she was released and they've known about the ability to animation cancel forever due to the actual unintended nature of flash's interraction with Alistar's Q, and anyone else with a spell that can be cast simply by pressing the button with your cursor out of range.
Riven is based on fighting game mechanics, she has fighting game mechanics, and her animation cancels are not nearly as powerful as people pretend on these boards.
The only change that should be made is that it should be mentioned either in her tooltips or in her champion spotlight.
rockdalian1 votesWhy does everyone parrot "animation cancelling is unintended/an expoit" as though it's fact? Morello mentioned her ability to animation cancel before she was released and they've known about the ability to animation cancel forever due to the actual unintended nature of flash's interraction with Alistar's Q, and anyone else with a spell that can be cast simply by pressing the button with your cursor out of range.
Riven is based on fighting game mechanics, she has fighting game mechanics, and her animation cancels are not nearly as powerful as people pretend on these boards.
The only change that should be made is that it should be mentioned either in her tooltips or in her champion spotlight.
So allow it on lb or zed or any adc allow everyone to do it and make it a game mechanic it is a big difference if it wasn't why are so many defending canceling and citing that it's essential on her if it doesn't do much it should be no big deal to lose it
ShinTwist1 votesSo allow it on lb or zed or any adc allow everyone to do it and make it a game mechanic it is a big difference if it wasn't why is so many defending canceling and citing that it's essential on her if it doesn't do much it should be no big deal to lose it
LB and Zed can animation cancel, lol. It's just not talked about as much because it's easier to do with them, it doesn't feel like a minigame like it does with Riven, you just activate LB's spells while mid-dash, or interrupt Zed's AA with a spell once it lands.
It is important to Riven, and without it she would indeed be trash, but it's not nearly as powerful as people pretend, and neither is Riven.
Even if it wasn't important to keeping her viable, it is never good to reduce a champion's skill cap and depth. Animation cancelling makes Riven fun, versatile, and means that she takes a lot of skill to use well. If you just remove it and buff her so that her animations cancel automatically she'll pubstomp low ranks effortlessly, and still be the same at high ranks, just not nearly as fun or satisfying to play.
So, to put it bluntly, no.
rockdalian1 votesI just made a post about this yesterday it's titled buff riven for lawls but I completely agree because some players don't get it and if you don't u can't play her or against her and to me that's an unfair advantage
