Turret first blood and cancer meta

CptJohnMiller74·Aug 7, 2016·21 votes·3,340 views

Season 6 has seen a drastic drop in the time it takes a team to start grouping, making the game much faster paced. It took some getting used to, but it became fun. However, the new turret first blood pushed the meta into a cancerous state. Games are now decided within the first 10 minutes without fail, and every game is a fucking clown fiesta four man gank squad circle jerk fest. I don't even know how to describe it, but the snowballing is out of control. I guess I get that Riot wanted to shift the LCS meta from lane swapping, but the meta for the other 98% of the player base is totally fucked and anti-fun.

58 Comments

No flash no lifeAug 7, 20165 votes

time to bring back the 5 men push mid strategy.

BIH DiamondAug 7, 20162 votes

That strat is already used every game in bronze/silver/gold

ArakadiaAug 8, 20161 votes

Every game? Nope.

BIH DiamondAug 8, 20161 votes

Yep

ArakadiaAug 9, 20161 votes

Are you talking all game? Like all game they just all go mid?

Or are you saying that they push mid in the late game? Often times they splitpush, not all game do they just shove mid.

BIH DiamondAug 9, 20161 votes

Whenever mid game/late game comes their main thought process is "group mid"

Even if they get the inhib they will continue to push the fucking mid lane.

FioraWillCarryAug 9, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=BIH Diamond,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEAZdjHO,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-09T04:27:59.437+0000) Even if they get the inhib they will continue to push the fucking mid lane.

You cannot believe how much this drives me fuckin crazy.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=No flash no life,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEAZdjHO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-07T16:20:00.295+0000)

time to bring back the 5 men push mid strategy.

but thats what they do now after getting an early snowball advantage. ever since s6 preseason. it used to be for the most part team fights around dragon and ojbectives that are usually close and decided by mechanics not a 10k behind team going for a last hope effort to kill the enemy team but end up not being able to go through the first enemy tank before dying helplessly.

BIH DiamondAug 7, 20165 votes

However, the new turret first blood pushed the meta into a cancerous state. Games are now decided within the first 10 minutes without fail

Oh please shut up. Games are NOT decided over 400 gold, ever. This is why you're low elo. If you give up your tower early you deserve to be put behind.

DrCyanideAug 7, 201613 votes

Funny you should mention that. I know someone who crawled the Riot API to find out the win rate based on that 400 tower first blood gold.

http://pty.li/tower/

Win rate after getting the first tower:

Bronze 69.9%
Silver 65.7%
Gold 69.1%
Plat 66.4%
Diamond 68.4%
Masters 69.6%
Challenger 72.7%

Seems like it's got quite the impact to me.

BIH DiamondAug 7, 20164 votes

Yeah no shit. Generally the team that takes 1st tower is usually already winning lane/game. What usually happens in my games is either a lane gets shit on and loses 1st tower, or we team fight and one team loses the fight, loses their 1st tower, and then loses other objectives such as dragon. This puts them extremely behind.

Also do we have stats of before this patch? I'd be willing to bet the stats are similar. Usually teams who take 1st tower in solo que win even before this patch.

KiokamiAug 7, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=BIH Diamond,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dEAZdjHO,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-08-07T20:11:20.751+0000)

Yeah no shit. Generally the team that takes 1st tower is usually already winning lane/game. What usually happens in my games is either a lane gets shit on and loses 1st tower, or we team fight and one team loses the fight, loses their 1st tower, and then loses other objectives such as dragon. This puts them extremely behind.

Also do we have stats of before this patch? I'd be willing to bet the stats are similar. Usually teams who take 1st tower in solo que win even before this patch.

it incentivizes a gankfest in bot lane. a lane already behind in EXP, and because champions snowball so hard now, 2 kills and 400g turret bounty is 1000g. thats a HUGE advantage.

game snowballs WAY too hard for something like this to be put in. not to mention they also made the tower weaker!!

this is a cancer meta.

BIH DiamondAug 9, 20161 votes

I haven't been experiencing anything abnormal bot lane ganks and I've been playing in diamond, gold, and plat (smurfs). If you're pushing up far you're going to get tp'd on and ganked by jg regardless of 400g for first tower

LeeerzeichenAug 7, 201617 votes

My recent statistics show that the team, who took down the first nexus has a 100% winrate across every elo. This is objective is actually too impactful.

DrCyanideAug 7, 20164 votes

I think technically the first Nexus triggers the end of the game, but it's the second Nexus to fall that wins. You can find videos where one team Surrenders as they kill the Nexus, the Nexus explodes in front of them, then it pans to their base as their Nexus explodes and they get a Defeat, despite killing the Nexus first. Not likely to happen without a surrender vote, but still.

LeeerzeichenAug 7, 20161 votes

This wasn't in my sample ;)

DeathBot666Aug 7, 20161 votes

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Y2nbrJyAR6RiM/200_s.gif

Hinagiku33Aug 7, 20161 votes

I can support this.

Recently I had an ARAM match where one of our players never connected. Two others went AFK and it was literally just me and one other guy valiantly defending our pitiful side of the bridge. Just after our Nexus exploded the camera panned to the other team's base and showed their Nexus exploding and the two of us somehow won.

I would say the last Nexus to fall loses, but if your Nexus explodes you are really, really unlikely to make a comeback unless the other team throws hard.

Bless those good people.

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

A+ response

DunkinNoobsAug 7, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Funny you should mention that. I know someone who crawled the Riot API to find out the win rate based on that 400 tower first blood gold.

http://pty.li/tower/

Win rate after getting the first tower:

Bronze 69.9%

Silver 65.7%

Gold 69.1%

Plat 66.4%

Diamond 68.4%

Masters 69.6%

Challenger 72.7%

Seems like it's got quite the impact to me.

It sure seems like it, except for one thing: It's blatantly not true. LeagueofGraphs has the first tower team winning 72% of the time this patch, which sounds like a shit ton. But what was it last patch? 70%. 6.13? 70% again. 6.12? Again, 70%. 6.11? 70%. 6.10? 70%. 6.9? 70%. 6.8? 70% 6.7? 70%. 6.6? 70%. 6.5? 70%. 6.4? 69.5%. 6.3? 70%. 6.2? 70%. 6.1? 69.5%.

Which team gets the first turret has always been a pretty good indicator of which team is going to win. Why? Because teams that get the turret first tend to be doing well early, and teams that do well early tend to be snowballing.

MarshbouyAug 7, 20162 votes

Well here is the obvious question. Did they get the gold because they are winning? Or did they win because they got the gold?

ArakadiaAug 8, 20161 votes

O_o

EvewynnAug 7, 20161 votes

Okay, now show the same rates before the change.

If the 400 gold really made a difference, it would show a significant difference between the patches. All this shows is that the team that is ahead (because they are doing well enough to take the tower) stays ahead. The gold could be almost completely irrelevant.

CptJohnMiller74Aug 7, 20163 votes

It's not only the 400 gold, which is a lot. It's the crazy drop in the time teams take to group as 4/5 and dive one lane (usually bot), which results in kill/assist gold, the 400 tower gold, and crazy map pressure. Clown fiesta meta

BIH DiamondAug 7, 20161 votes

Your overrated the teamwork in solo que. This usually rarely happens to me. The only time this is possible to happen (aside from the rare occasion where solo players work together well) is when they're already premade. This is a premade issue, not game.

I rarely get this happening in diamond elo though

ItzZeyroAug 7, 20161 votes

but ur gold 1

Hrd2H1tAug 7, 20161 votes

smurf probably

BIH DiamondAug 8, 20161 votes

This isn't my main. It decayed from plat 3. Look at the last time I played on it

MarshbouyAug 7, 20161 votes

League is a team game. I fail to see the issue.

JorenciceAug 7, 20161 votes

Ive been loving it. Im on a big win streak due to people 4 man diving my blitzcrank. Quadra kills for my adc for days.

SlashStrikerAug 7, 20165 votes

Cancer Meta? I bet no one Heard about Aries Meta

Legacy HydralphaAug 7, 20161 votes

You made my day.

SithesisLordAug 7, 20161 votes

I´m a fan of the Taurus meta.

Alistar

OHminusAug 8, 20161 votes

Virgo meta pls Zyra -the literal definition of farming. You farm plants.

ArakadiaAug 8, 20161 votes

Took me too long to get this. I thought you misspelled Carry and it auto corrected to Aries.

zlumpyAug 7, 20164 votes

I don't see how Riot couldn't know this was gonna happen. The community pretty much agreed it would as soon as it was first announced.

Does this change even make LCS better to watch? I haven't bothered watching pro play in a long time.

BIH DiamondAug 7, 20161 votes

Agreed to what? This change is great. If I win lane and get tower i get a huge advantage. The game shouldn't cater to bad players

TacoTheKittenAug 7, 20163 votes

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BIH DiamondAug 9, 20161 votes

It's an un-winnable situation.

If the enemy team is coordinated enough to group up and take your tower while your team is wandering around doing nothing, they deserve the lead. This is a problem with allowing 4/5 man premades in ranked.

Also if your top laner and bot lane/jg go and push their lanes and take their towers it would be a 2 for 1 trade in towers. Usually mid laners can clear waves fast enough to stall the mid push.

JunkοAug 7, 20163 votes

I'm not sure if the people are premading (no same club tags to easily tell), but the amount of 4-5 man pushing I have seen from the enemy team when they are ahead at 8+ min this patch is fucking insane.

KeepeAug 7, 20163 votes

Games are now decided within the first 10 minutes without fail

False. Just false. I understand you're upset, but nine times out of ten it does not really matter who gets the first turret. What matters is, surprisingly, which Nexus goes boom first.

five oh tree Aug 7, 20162 votes

So people are actually implementing teamwork to take down an objective? In an objective-based game revolving around teamwork? how terrible. 100% cancer.

KeepeAug 7, 20162 votes

Back in MY day, we didn't need Teamwork. We just needed Jax with Dodge items.

74632082_DELAug 7, 20161 votes

run it down mid

KoKobotoAug 7, 20161 votes

How much does the turret first blood effect the game because I have not really noticed it. On a side note how does a turret even get first blooded??

OHminusAug 8, 20161 votes

First turret destroyed = first blood turret. The gold gained is hardly noticeable - I think it's 25 additional global gold to each champion while giving the same 275 local gold already in place.

Dr PoroAug 7, 20161 votes

Personally, I like this. Why should we mindlessly sit in a lane for 40 minutes and see who gets to most cs? I like action early on, especially when watching LCS. This season has been the most boring one of them all, so much that I just skip till first blood falls.

DænariusKhølerinAug 7, 20161 votes

Anyone who doubts this can take a look at my match history. I haven't been on a loss streak like this until this patch. I'm learning to adapt to it however.

SlashStrikerAug 8, 20161 votes

9 people are circle jerking mid 1 man is backdooring other lanes