Garen's Q has got to be the worst auto attack animation in the game

Jamer·Aug 4, 2015·18 votes·2,190 views

If any of you have ever played Garen, you know what I'm talking about. You hit Q, Garen jumps into the air before finally bringing his sword down. This little jump actually takes a significant amount of time, much longer then a Nasus Q or Jax W. Often times the enemy I am facing will actually be able to just counter my Q with a CC as soon as they see me jump into the air. It also doesn't get any better with attack speed. He will still take ages to just get a Q off.

Also wondering if this is intentional balance design in order to trade off the silence that comes with it. Either way, any plans on fixing this, Riot?

21 Comments

DurzakaAug 4, 201510 votes

It has a silence attached to it.

If it was any faster there would be literally no trading with Garen, ever. Same reason Kassadins old Q had such a long animation + travel time, because of the silence attached to it.

MatezoideAug 4, 20151 votes

Meanwhile pre-VU his Q was a lot faster, IIRC.

Can we please stop this ''Garen cant ever be buffed or he will be broken!!'' meme? He has received nothing but buffs for several patches now and still remains a mediocre pick.

Anyway

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If any of you have ever played Garen, you know what I'm talking about. You hit Q, Garen jumps into the air before finally bringing his sword down. This little jump actually takes a significant amount of time, much longer then a Nasus Q or Jax W. Often times the enemy I am facing will actually be able to just counter my Q with a CC as soon as they see me jump into the air. It also doesn't get any better with attack speed. He will still take ages to just get a Q off.

Also wondering if this is intentional balance design in order to trade off the silence that comes with it. Either way, any plans on fixing this, Riot?

Garen is slated for a small rework soon. Maybe amongst the changes, they will reduce the time he takes to use Q?

redniwediSAug 4, 20154 votes

Can we please stop this ''Garen cant ever be buffed or he will be broken!!'' meme? He has received nothing but buffs for several patches now and still remains a mediocre pick.

It's not really a meme, it's a real concern by Garen mains who actually know how to use him to his full potential. Garen's playstyle is fully designed around punishing mistakes, and the more buffs he gets the smaller those mistakes need to be. Whether he's a good pick or not fully depends on the meta right now, as he is actually fairly well balanced overall, however one small buff could turn him from a niche pick to oppressive in lane.

From what I know the balance team doesn't just revert changes very often, so a nerf could very well follow that actually puts Garen into a worse state pick wise. With the way things are at this moment there's not a whole lot of wiggle room between where he is and where he has to be to earn a nerf, so hopefully these coming changes allow for a bit more space.

I GANK LANESAug 4, 20151 votes

he's definitely strong idk why people play him off as weak

AnidanAug 4, 20152 votes

His main weakness, besides lack of dashing mobility, is that he falls off later and doesn't have 'real' peel.

Other than that, he wrecks house from what I've seen and understand. Though, I haven't seen a ton of Garen, so that could just be from people that play him a lot and have his nuances down to an art, like any other champion main. Garen is always one of those champs that concerns me when he gets a buff; not because he counters my champions, since someone has to, but because he messes with a LOT of champions, and penalizes them really hard for any mistake that can be made.

Sir YamazukiAug 4, 20152 votes

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It has a silence attached to it.

If it was any faster there would be literally no trading with Garen, ever. Same reason Kassadins old Q had such a long animation + travel time, because of the silence attached to it.

Leona gets a stun on an AA, Udyr gets a stun on an AA, Cho's aoe silence is pretty much instant and so on. So stop with the it has a silence on it as an excuse to justify the unnecessary long animation, he is melee and does not have an ms boost he spams nor does he have a dash or range hard cc.

UltraSceptileAug 4, 20151 votes

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Leona gets a stun on an AA, Udyr gets a stun on an AA, Cho's aoe silence is pretty much instant and so on. So stop with the it has a silence on it as an excuse to justify the unnecessary long animation, he is melee and does not have an ms boost he spams nor does he have a dash or range hard cc.

And a lot of people fucking hate Leona, and udyr, and cho and find them absolutely painful to play against for these exact reasons. Instant almost unavoidable CC.

Sir YamazukiAug 4, 20151 votes

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And a lot of people fucking hate Leona, and udyr, and cho and find them absolutely painful to play against for these exact reasons. Instant almost unavoidable CC.

I've never heard of anyone complain about Leona's Q or Udyr's E or Cho's silence specifically. In regards to Leona, people hated her E and her R CD, not her Q. Any complaints about Udyr is never about his stun, and Cho is usually about how he gets to be tanky and then 1 shot your carry while having a silence, which contradicts Riot's philosophy on how being silenced then 100-0ed is bad. Garen doesn't silence you from range or get to dash to you then silence you and 100-0 you.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 4, 20153 votes

That tiny cast-time was needed because.....

http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/a47eda11db8a1691228a781a7d0b25cc.gif

Fear the Bush Garen Garen

(plus the fact he doesn't use mana, why are you asking so much....?)

sp441Aug 4, 20152 votes

Anivia

BastionKrossAug 4, 20152 votes

Back before his VU, he at least had the excuse that it took so long because he was doing a FRONTFLIP. Man, I miss that.

He also used to just straight up punch people with his auto attacks back then too. I thought it added a lot to his personality, seeing his opponent as so far beneath him he didn't feel he needed to swing his sword to mess you up.

CrukAug 4, 20151 votes

Garen is one of the worst champions in the game by FAR, his rework will only help him im sure.

Vistha KaiAug 4, 20151 votes

I remember missing whole wave of minions because of this wind-up animation.

AnidanAug 4, 20151 votes

Hey! I remember doing that too :\

The 7 year hits.

MongooseAug 4, 20151 votes

talon q

SouL1essAug 4, 20151 votes

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talon q

Talon Q is insanely fast now after the Cutthroat rework patch

Adrian UmbraAug 4, 20151 votes

Mordekaiser Q says hi. Not even a silence there to justify how slow the swing speed is.

JamerAug 4, 20151 votes

I feel like it wasn't really a problem at all when I was Gold and below. People just didn't really react when they saw it, and just ate the whole silence combo. I recently picked up Garen again at around Plat II and was having trouble actually getting Q's off consistently. The enemies just react a whole lot faster in higher elo.

WheatloafAug 4, 20151 votes

Just go stare at this: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/gameplay-update-juggernauts

Garen is now packing 100% more Justice.

AnonagonAug 4, 20151 votes

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