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Average KDA 7/4/6 on Jhin (36% Win rate) "My teammates are holding me back" Change my mind please.

HoloTheWíseWolf·7/15/2018, 10:59:39 PM·34 votes·14,715 views
https://i.imgur.com/SEqwdXX.jpg

I leveled an account and I actually liked the name better on that one and so this became my smurf account. I want to keep the main account nameless because I don't want to name or shame anyone (people always post imaged with erased names except theirs but people can simply use op.gg)

I began playing Ahri when starting League, but something went wrong along the road and I pretty much one trick Jhin now- he's incredibly fun.

Anyways, I played several ranked games this season and I want to quit already. Here's why: My average KDA with Jhin is 7/4/6 and my win rate is 36%. 25 Games played. https://i.imgur.com/SEqwdXX.jpg

I love studying the games that I lose because people always tell me that I am the common denominator of all my games. Well here are the results: fyi i say "we" because i'm an ADC with a support.

1st Loss: https://i.imgur.com/o2Yksaq.jpg We heavily won our lane. Our mid rage quits after getting solo killed. Jungle and Top feeds. 4 vs 5 easy loss 2nd Loss: https://i.imgur.com/hx8ulbc.jpg Our jungle solo invades, face checks gets killed. They invade afterwards and we all die. Jungle comes and smites the CS bot lane and gives kills to the vayne while bming. Our talon pops off camping their top, we get four manned bot 3 times while our jungle goes afk. 4 v 5 easy loss. 3rd Loss: https://i.imgur.com/nEAAAGt.jpg We heavily won our lane. Top and Mid feeds but game lasts long enough so they catch up. Yi goes afk before the last fight. 4 v 5 easy loss. 4th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/JXPcM4N.jpg We heavily won our lane. Top and Mid feeds SOOO MUCH. Enemy sees us as a win condition and we get four manned by disgustingly fed enemies. Went from 5/1>>5/7 5th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/snoRa19.jpg We went even in lane. Our top took ignite and fed A LOT. Their top and ADC switches and we get murdered by 8/0 swain (this was during laning phase) 6th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/jAZCsUL.jpg We were winning lane until my internet shut down on me. It happens that my internet cord got damaged that night for some reason, got someone to fix it the next morning. FML 7th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/Jf13mA0.jpg We went even in lane but my support took the kills. We got shit on by a twisted fate, malphite roams- four manned again. I just played bad too. 8th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/iYlru5v.jpg My Lux support is a living magnet to the enemy blitzcrank. I had the choice of ditching her or fighting with her. I unfortunately made the mistake of doing the latter. Our top fed and our jungle gets out jungled. We lose. 9th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/jo3q4FK.jpg Heavily won lane with my support feeding. It was one of those 1 v 3 situations. Mid and Top went cheesy picks and fed. Jungle was useless for the most part. 10th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/f6oBsY3.jpg We won lane. Top, Mid and Jungle fed a lot. Went from 3/1>>3/3. Easy loss. 11th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/SxSVnSa.jpg One of those supports that constantly dies and doesn't use any of her summoners. Literally spent more time 1 v 2ing or 1 v 3 (enemy jg) in lane more than having a support by my side. Mid lost. Jg went lee sin and did moderately, his KDA looks nice because he Ksd. Top fed A LOT but he somehow csd well and was strong enough to be relevant. However, he fed A LOT... so that still means his opponent was bloody strong. 12th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/6NOTIqm.jpg Won lane with a teemo support that was feeding. Our Mid won hard. Top shaco lost pretty hard. Riven jungle refuses to communicate and AFK farms for most of the game (Had the most cs, least damage) 13th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/mtETxZL.jpg One of those games where the support decides your fate as an ADC. Terrible support. Feeding mid and jungle. Top did well but was a zed top. Didn't scale. Terrible comp in general. 14th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/9a7ydDw.jpg Another game where the support is just complete trash and that limits you as an ADC. Blitzcrank is a pretty conditional support and this guy was beyond the point of saving. There is an issue when the ADC is 5/1 and the support is 0/6 during laning phase. Jungle was okay, Top and mid fed SOO much. Easy loss. 15th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/MQYBwGk.jpg Mid fed a lot and when we were already losing a bit. Their fed Ezreal mid roams and shits on us. Top loses really hard in terms of CS. I couldn't grab any kills and was left pretty useless the entire game. 16th Loss: https://i.imgur.com/3bca9Qf.jpg Final loss that motivated me to create this thread. Imagine a smite gragas support that takes spell thief instead of relic shield against a thresh. Meaning if he gets hooked he has no base health to survive. But even before that, he firsts gets chunked solo invading (when we all pinged him back) and face checking a bush. He flashes away and survives. Then he goes back in to try and steal their buff 1 v 3ing and even if he did, there was no way he was going to live. Guess what, he went in when the buff was 75% health and he donates first blood to the enemy ADC. He comes back in lane, belly flops in to fight immediately when they are level 2 and he's level 1. He gets killed again. Then he disconnects and I fight a 1 v 2. Funny enough, I actually won a 1 v 2 and killed both of them while living. They were really bad and I thought, well if their bot lane is usually this bad then their other lanes must be better. Sure enough, our mid and top were feeding pretty hard. The gragas reconnects later on and dedicates himself in split pushing. I solo kill their JG, get a triple kill and we aced their team. I PINGED MY HEART OUT TO GET THE BARON and my team responded so late. Our midlaner somehow valued the blue buff over the baron. I had a bad feeling and sure enough the baron got stolen. Got stolen by a jinx rocket while our Jungler had smite. That was our desperation play and we lost hard afterwards.
I went from 5/2>> 9/6 and I nearly lost it at the end of the game.

**Here are my wins. Every time I get a normal support and a decent team, this is how I perform. These are the 9 games that I manage to win. **

https://i.imgur.com/0Cyz888.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8958iu4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uMu2Vdu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/edrY6H3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/a9iVH23.jpg I'm getting lazy but you get the point. Here's the rest https://i.imgur.com/SQxGoay.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S2mS1Eh.jpg

The thing is, it's not like I don't get feeders in these games too. I get them in most of my games and I either hard carry or I fail to do so. Again, for most of my games, I have to carry hard or I lose. Why can't I get games where I get carried or I do okay and win.

My play itself is deteriorating because of constantly losing seemingly impossible games. To progress, people need to reap what they sow. And when I lose games where I played really well, these unrewarding losses makes me play worse in the future.

I seriously looked back and analyzed all my games. This is how it actually is for me, STATISTICALLY. Again, this isn't some bs I am feeling, these are statistics I pulled up from my games.

**If I win my lane, I have a 47% chance of winning... like what the actual fuck. ** **If I go even in my lane, I have 33% chance of winning. I went even three times and lost twice. ** If I lose my lane, I lose the game. Literally 0% chance of winning for me. Every game I lost lane I lost the game.

Another fun fact, I won lane in 17 games, went even in lane in 3 games, lost in lane in 5 games. And I lost the actual game in 16 out of 25 games. 20 CS difference? Dude I consider being 1/0 going even in lane. That's not even winning for me at this point. And in the 5 games that I lost lane I don't feel like I had a choice with supports that AFK, feed and junglers that intentionally bms and feeds kills. Not one game that I lost lane did I feel outclassed, or outskilled. It's literally just playing with auto filled supports, trolls, weird picks, afks, and or getting four manned by fed enemies in other lanes. I would be winning in CS then boom, something unreal happens.

It was one of the games that I lost- I was fighting a 0/1 Ezreal for the first half of laning phase, next moment I'm literally fighting an 8/0 swain because he swapped. He practically has a core item and a half over me. How is this even possible and wtf do i do.

With these things in mind, I actually feel like a piece of shit when queing up for my next game. Like I always hurt my brain thinking what I could've done better in games that feel impossible. It feels so hopeless when you are a one trick of a champion that you are actually doing well with (7/4/6 Average KDA) but is stuck at a 36 % win rate. When am I allowed to legitimately blame my teammates, is this not enough? How much harder do i need to be on myself?

EDIT: I played two more games and wow I'm not even surprised anymore. I legitimately go in expecting feeding teammates and there they are again. https://i.imgur.com/jlalyfs.jpg We crushed our lane but our mid, jg, and especially top fed a lot. Most damage, most CS, most kill particpation. Easy Loss. https://i.imgur.com/0T1z7cd.jpg We won our lane but our mid kept on feeding. Top fed early but he came back later in the game. Jungle kept on trading kills for deaths and as a yi that's not bad. Regardless, my support had some questionable ults and Mid was so far behind he was useless. There was a point where I pinged baron because four of them were dead including the jungle and we had 25 seconds which was enough for us to melt the baron. However, our jungle goes for the earth drake and gives the baron away. Cool.

Yeah Idk about you, this is just getting ridiculous. Why am I the only winning lane in these games and have people that just keeps feeding. In the first game, my top laner gets solo killed 5 times in 10 minutes. WHY? I'm literally fighting their jungler and their botlane and I'm still crushing lane. How is it possible for my other lanes and jungle to constantly feed?

This is a picture of the stats several minutes into the second game where I ended up 6/4. Our jungle was an entire level under their nocturne who successful ganked and killed me and my support. As you can see all the other lanes are already losing at this point. I was deathless and was winning with a 40 CS lead until I got tower dove by their nocturne. It was one of those aggravating fights where all three of them are 1 hp and your jg is taking krugs across the map. https://i.imgur.com/lvdwIoG.jpg

Also to people who are saying I probably have high cs because I AFk farm, that's not true. I almost always have the highest or second highest kill part/dmg in all of my games statistically. I'm pretty sure I just farm better than people in my tier.

FYI my average kda is the same but I'm at a 33% win rate now.

EDIT 2: Another game, another feeder, another loss. https://i.imgur.com/O3ZSRvR.jpg

This time it was the illaoi top going 0/6 in laning phase and feeding an aatorx so he is literally 4 levels above everyone else. Mind you, the illaoi wasn't camped but got solo killed 6 times. Unbelievable. Mid was losing. BUT HEY I WON MY LANE- what a fucking surprise. Again, since our solo lanes were losing by themselves and we were the win condition, we got camped. We still managed to win the 2 v 3 for fucks sake. Top was useless the entire game, lee sin jungle was useless, easy loss. Cool

127 Comments

Rins Thigh Socks7/15/2018, 11:36:02 PM30 votes

Honestly if you're winning lane that hard, that frequently, you should have at least a 55-60% winrate if you're macroing correctly.

The thing is once lane is over a lot of players just wander around aimlessly. You have to focus and you have to get them to focus because if you're like 5/0 every game you can knock down towers with relative ease. You just need to rally your team and get them to protect you while you do so.

If you'd like add me on Discord @Coach Rock#9015 and I can go over macro on one of your games w/ you.

Z3Sleeper7/16/2018, 3:49:45 AM11 votes

KDA doesn't matter. Killing the nexus is the objective. Champions respawn, towers don't.

As a Yorick player, my KDA is often pretty awful looking but my winrate is the exact opposite.

In fact, right now I have a 57% winrate with a 2.16 KDA (that's a terrible KDA btw, means I'm only involved in 2 takedowns per death)

SugeMinPikk7/16/2018, 12:55:16 AM9 votes

It's entirely possible to have a good KDA and still be useless. You gotta do things with those kills.

Also, ADC and support are the hardest two roles with which to carry out of silver. This is because of how reliant they are on their lane partner. Try playing a less team-dependent role until you get to mid gold.

DuskDaUmbreon7/15/2018, 11:20:53 PM8 votes

7/4/6 KDA means nothing if you're not doing much with it. If you're fed, go to other lanes and get those lanes fed, get drakes/dragon/herald/baron, set a majority of the enemy team behind, shut down their fed people, and, whenever possible, end the game ASAP. Don't play around when you're ahead, just win and end the game!

Also, you need a way bigger data pool. 25 games isn't a huge sample pool. Aim for 100 before you try to draw statistics. For example:

went even in lane in 3 games, lost in lane in 5 games

3 games of going even? 5 games of losing lane? Not near enough games for either to draw a real statistic from it. My ranked winrate says that I'm impossible to beat if I'm playing Evelynn or Ahri, but my normal one shows that I'm just good with them, not unstoppable. Why? Because I only have 13 or so ranked games.

So: Do more with your KDA, and get more data. 25 games isn't enough to draw any conclusions.

GarySeagull7/16/2018, 1:32:23 AM7 votes

Why post here? No matter what you say all you will get from this community is: "YOU ARE TRASH, LEARN TO PLAY SCRUB. EVERY LOSS IS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!"

This community is cancerous and will only look to blame you despite it clearly not being you fault. Of course it's not the fault of the countless 0/6 - 0/12 allies who are more useless than the AI bots.

KICK OUT AT 27/15/2018, 11:44:47 PM6 votes

If you want to carry you need to play mid/jungle

Illabethe7/16/2018, 12:51:16 AM5 votes

From what I see:

You take forever to get into team contribution. Your rate of contributions are pretty low while CS is insanely high. In many games, you even have a hyper carry in your game, but somehow only are in 30% of the kills.

So what I imagine happens is: You get tunneled into farming while your team plays around you. You never leave lane to assist a jungler, or otherwise, because you believe it's all about cs.

In some ways, you're right about CS. In other ways you're wrong. If losing cs gains you a death prevention or other objective, take the CS loss.

ΦmalphintoΦ7/16/2018, 8:15:10 AM3 votes

i made a thread about why Riot intervenes in our games that puts bad players in it. guess what? the mother fuckers as usual. replayed its MMR you get higher MMR you get harder opponents, all the games are 50% chance win or lose.

its 50% chance my dick.

Ok sure but why7/16/2018, 6:59:10 AM2 votes

duo me right this instant

RebeccaUCuber7/16/2018, 9:05:49 AM2 votes

Hi Wolf. (can i call u Wolf?) I put an early disclaimer here. Without replays it's hard To judge but i want To trust you give u my opinion anyway ^^

The problems are many...

  1. adc role is far less relevant than before. A fed bot lane cant always decide a game, especially if one of the main laners fed a lot. Solo feeds have much more impact. Sadly 7/4/6 is not enough atm To carry succeffuly as adc. I suggest u a good duo supp for maximum coordination.

  2. Macros make the game, but adc cant take them alone. If u get fed in lane though, try To encourage your team to focus on them. Ppl tend to trust a fed team mate and distrust a feeder one.

  3. i disagree with ppl telling u that deaths are not important if u get an obj. U dont main a Vayne or a Draven! They can solo push a lane if fed and force 2-3 ppl to stop them. As a Jhin u CANT do that, u cant die so often and u must die The less possibile, trying to play with your team and positioning wisely. Your scaling as Jhin is crucial, dying for an obj slows down it, And can let The enemy catch up to you. So dont die unless The obj is really important (example: taking an inib and dying to the enemy support May be Worth)

  4. be ready for The 4 man fiesta in bot lane. ALWAYS. Bot lane is The most easier tower to get, and a lot of junglers practically push with bot and mid just to take it before u. If your supp doesn't ward Buy control wards yourself. If u can, Place some aggressive ward in enemy Jung. If u are losing lane to enemy cos They have more pressure and they just want to 4 man dive you, leave The tower and force them to overextend, so At least they dont get a double or more.

I'm not a pro. But i Hope i helped you somehow. If something else catches my mind i'll Edit this or reply.

Gl![sg-ahri-2]

P.S. oh! it's the worst Player in game that has the most impact. Try to cheer up your team or give advice if u think the worst player is At your side. So He doesn't give up!

SUPERMOVAA7/16/2018, 9:19:51 AM1 votes

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Janakin7/16/2018, 9:28:44 AM1 votes

KDA is absolutely nothing. Just look at this guy I just had in my game. What a nice KDA out of 400 games. But his win rate reflects how useless and unskilled he is. https://imgur.com/a/QtwjnP5