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Sate my Devourer104 votes

Exactly why did you guys decide to let his passive be visible in a bush?

Rabid Llama91 votes

Hey there! I'm sure this question is going to get asked a lot / upvoted a ton, so I thought I'd tackle it first.

TL;DR: Aurelion's passive is visible in brush so that it's clear and understandable to his opponents, but also because I'm interested in finding out just what happens when a character bends the rules around vision.

First off, to be totally clear (for other readers) - if Aurelion is in brush, his character model is invisible like anybody else. Can't be targeted or basic-attacked. Only his stars will loop out of the brush, giving the enemy a very good idea of where exactly he is.

That said:

Aurelion's stars do a lot of damage - enough that getting hit by an invisible one out of a brush would be a pretty big deal. This presents us with a choice - we can make the spell both strong and invisible, which is unfair (we don't like unfair very much), we can make the spell weaker and invisible, which is lame (we wanted Aurelion's stars to be a big deal), or we can make the spell strong but visible, which is inconvenient (Aurelion can't hide in bushes). That's an oversimplification, but it's the sort of spectrum of choices that we have.

Given that, I decided to lean hard into the "strong but visible" camp. Present the counterplay clearly to the opponent at all times, and if they fail, or Aurelion succeeds, then Aurelion gets to win.

The second part to the decision has to do with a desire to test the limits of the rules of the game. Given that Aurelion was shaping up to be a big, boisterous, magnificent spectacle of a character, it made me think that maybe this was the first character in League to not be sneaky. A star dragon does not crouch in a bush waiting to pounce, he soars above his enemies and rains down the heavens upon them.

I'll admit that this is (perhaps) my curiosity as a game designer getting the better of me. But I believe that providing new and different gameplay experiences is one of the jobs of a champion designer, and that we should always challenge assumptions.

So what happens to the game when a character can't hide? What kinds of things can their kit do instead to compensate? What happens to their playstyle when I tell the player that standing still, ever, is a bad idea? What gameplay comes out of being out of vision (so, not targetable) but having your position given away? I'm excited to find out :)

All that said - I stand by my decision as it is, but I'm also aware that I might just be wrong.

If Aurelion comes out and he just isn't finding success because his stars give away too much information, then I'm absolutely open to re-evaluating. League is great in part because we get the chance to take risks and adjust if they don't work out. But players are clever - I'm pretty sure once Aurelion is out there, you guys will figure out how to work around his vision game pretty darn quickly.

Finally, just so you guys know, if I were to change it later on I would probably go with "Passive stars are visible only when Aurelion is visible. Toggling on W makes them visible on their own, like missiles". This is in part because "in brush" and "out of vision in fog" are so similar to the opponent's view.

Thanks for reading this far - I went with a long post because I know this is a big topic with a lot of players across the world :)

LittleBlast17 votes

Heres an idea, you can still see them from a bush, but you gain vision of them only when within 100 units of his orb range. Numbers can be changed but i feel like this would just feel better while not making them op if in a bush

OzzyOzrock16 votes

Seems reasonable, actually. Evelynn effect on his stars.

Rabid Llama27 votes

Another reasonable suggestion, though it runs into a bit of a strange edge case where the Aurelion player isn't ever quiiiite sure if the enemy saw them or not. That's why I prefer the all-or-nothing approach a little more, if we were to go with hiding stars - sweeper-ing a brush and then standing in it, you should be 100% sure the enemy cannot see you or your stars.

Getting the player to understand what the enemy can see is really difficult in League since there's no good way to do direct feedback on it. It's why we frequently fall back to the red exclamation mark particle, which is too noisy for all but the most major of visibility mechanics.

Stellafreyja36 votes

Having Aurelion's stars visible isn't really the issue to me. It's the fact that their visibility is inconsistent with other skills in the game, i.e. Nunu's ult and Sion's Q (there may be others, but I'm not aware of them). Both of these skills can be channeled in the bush and unleashed when you can't see them. So, if you want Aurelion's stars to be visible, great, but BE CONSISTENT.

Rabid Llama51 votes

I agree that it's inconsistent, which is unfortunate. I feel pretty strongly that skills should telegraph clearly, and if it were up to me Nunu and Sion would work differently - I was actually surprised when I found out after release that Sion's Q indicator didn't draw out of brush.

It's difficult to change characters once they're out. There's a lot of "grandfathering" in, since their players come to depend on those quirks. That's why we're starting with stars visible - we can try this out, and it's much easier to change them back in line with Nunu/Sion than it would be to do it the other way around.

RiotZenonTheStoic88 votes

Can you explain to me how Aurelion's Stars not only pass unharmed through Veigar's Event Horizon, but actually come out of it again?! What are they made of, Hawking Radiation? COME ON RIOT IT'S ELEMENTARY ASTROPHYSICS!

Jbels53 votes

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Can you explain to me how Aurelion's Stars not only pass unharmed through Veigar's Event Horizon, but actually come out of it again?! What are they made of, Hawking Radiation? COME ON RIOT IT'S ELEMENTARY ASTROPHYSICS!

Zenon pls, you designed a champion that can eat anything and somehow he can't eat red or blue buff, get ouuuuutta here!

Tamuut48 votes

And they made Vel'Koz, but he can't even see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!

Rabid Llama38 votes

It has to do with a complex Fun/Anti-Fun reaction, you wouldn't understand.

Edit: Virtual Fun is involved.

RiotFauxSchizzle55 votes

You guys have a lot of questions. I have very slow fingers.

nerfed bunny47 votes

Did you ever consider including an Ao Shin related joke in Aurelion Sol's dialogue? A friend suggested something along of the lines of "What? Were you expecting someone else?"

Sate my Devourer37 votes

Why did you guys that specific ult? Compared to the rest of his kit, it seems linear or rushed, I mean its cool, but I was expecting some soul, star crushing black hole type ult. What happened? And why Voice of Light, I dont quite understand it since there isnt much reference to that in the lore.

Rabid Llama60 votes

Yeah, the ult was actually kind of the last thing to fall into place on the kit, and I think players on on point talking about how it's a little underwhelming. Lemmie explain.

TL:DR; We wanted to focus power on the P/W, so the R had to either be (relatively) weak or complicated. Went with an ult that's mechanically really helpful for the character, but thematically pretty lame.

For this kit, we wanted to focus as much on the Stars of his Passive and W as we could. We found that we had a lot of fun, novel gameplay in a simple mechanic, but that it needed to hit pretty hard to be satisfying. So, when it came time to pick an ult, we didn't have a lot of power left to spare.

Now, a Star Dragon should probably do something really, really flashy with his ultimate. Like, biggest-thing-in-the-game flashy. And we tried a half dozen different things trying to find it. The trick is, something big and flashy has to have a big impact to feel right, which means more power.

A straightforward powerful ult (Ziggs, Lux) spends a lot of a character's power budget in one place - not a good fit, since we already had a lot of Aurelion's power earmarked for his W.

The alternative is something like Nunu ult - powerful but conditional. You have to jump through hoops to make it work, which lowers its effective power without lowering its potential impact. Great! Let's do that!

That's when complexity budget (the cousin of power budget) comes in. In playtest, we found that Aurelion was really hard to play well. His damage depended on his positioning game, and for a champion with no in-combat mobility, that game took a lot of thought. Trying to also do crazy channeled ults or weird strategic things while managing that got really difficult fast. It also made him very feast-or-famine - either he was on point with W and whatever crazy Ult, or he wasn't able to pull off either and we useless.

After much gnashing of teeth (muuuch gnashing of teeth), I settled on the current ultimate more for game design reasons than for character design reasons - it had the mechanics the character wanted. Burst damage, check. Long-range damage, check. Added safety (so you can screw up that positioning game a little and not instantly die), check.

There's a little bit of character design in there, though. We're hitting the "breath weapon" trope in a way that's a little bit different - that's where the name comes from. It's not "**Breath **of Fire", it's "Voice" - a much more refined thing than breath - "of Light" - a substance with much more purity than mere fire.

In my headcanon, Aurelion holds the very fires of creation, the light that ignites suns, inside himself, and with a single spoken word can spark creation. Very "let there be light".

So yeah, this ult exists to round out the character, to let him adapt to more situations and provide utility for his team even when struggling or behind. Mechanically, I'm pretty happy with it. Thematically, I'm sad I couldn't figure out how to make something more epic work out.

Hope that answers your question, because I wrote a whole lot of words by accident >_>

Sate my Devourer18 votes

I feel so privileged to have the LLama respond to both of my top questions <3

Yea, I understand it better now, the ult is rather cool tho dont get me wrong, just like Jihn's W is cool but isnt unique. Not everything has to be new and shiny to be cool, Jihns kit is really fun bit his q and w arent all that unique. Anyway Aurelion has a lot of unique stuff in his kit, so I think the simple ult makes it easier to play and understand.

10/10 Job on Aurelion.

Rabid Llama56 votes

Ask good questions, get good answers [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AttackOnTeemos24 votes

Couldn't technically he be friends with Soraka o.o.. Star Forger....Star Caller?

Rabid Llama60 votes

I think his interaction line with her ("Twinkle, twinkle little star, do you wonder what you are?") implies that he at least knows something she doesn't :)

Evoki1122 votes

Will you make a definitely not Ao Shin skin for Aurelion Sol in the future?

Rabid Llama64 votes

I feel like we'll make a lightning dragon skin one day, so I'll make sure to push for giving him some gold armor and a beard if we do :)

TerraRising16 votes

If David Bowie was the inspiration for Aurelion Sol's personality, should we expect a "Ziggy Soldust" skin? Sake and strange divine.

RiotFauxSchizzle39 votes

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If David Bowie was the inspiration for Aurelion Sol's personality, should we expect a "Ziggy Soldust" skin? Sake and strange divine.

Rito plz.

Mama Soraka14 votes

You remind me of the babe

RiotFauxSchizzle23 votes

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You remind me of the babe

What babe?

Mad Milliner19 votes

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What babe?

Babe with the power.

Meep Man13 votes

What is Aurelion Sol to Bard and what is Bard to Aurelion Sol? Same with Kindred (what are they to him and him to them). Also, who is more powerful? Bard or Aurelion Sol?

RiotFauxSchizzle34 votes

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What is Aurelion Sol to Bard and what is Bard to Aurelion Sol? Same with Kindred (what are they to him and him to them). Also, who is more powerful? Bard or Aurelion Sol?

Good question! Both Bard and Aurelion Sol are cosmic entities. While they may not have any familial ties (in the terrestrial/traditional sense), they certainly are aware of each other. I can't say which is more powerful at the moment because Bard is so mysterious, plus it's like comparing apples to bags of air.

In regards to Kindred, they represent death. Even celestial beings must end in some way at some point. I wonder what Kindred would look like to an entity like Bard or Aurelion Sol.

Stand Alone Wolf10 votes

With. . . Aurelion Sol being the apples, and Bard being the "Bag of air." Right?

RiotFauxSchizzle18 votes

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With. . . Aurelion Sol being the apples, and Bard being the "Bag of air." Right?

Ha, yes. I jest. But I n all truth, I believe they wield very different types of cosmic power.

KamenRider Touma11 votes

Lore question: Are all dragons descendants of Aurelion Sol? Would that make him the progenitor of all dragons?

RiotFauxSchizzle69 votes

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Lore question: Are all dragons descendants of Aurelion Sol? Would that make him the progenitor of all dragons?

They way that I've thought about it is that matter imitates the shape of greater energies, similar to how a logarithmic spiral is found in a nautilus shell and a galaxy.

Dreampod39 votes

As a mathematician and biologist I LOVE this answer.

Caytheles9 votes

How does Aurelion know Nagakebouros, did they fight? or did he just see Nagkebouros devour a cosmos?

RiotFauxSchizzle21 votes

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How does Aurelion know Nagakebouros, did they fight? or did he just see Nagkebouros devour a cosmos?

They have encountered each other before.

lightdragoon887 votes

What are your favorite lines for Aurelion Sol?

RiotRiot TreblMuffin81 votes

Booop

Brutusness4 votes

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Booop

If Aurelion Sol had a line for Swain, what would it be? Did he have one for him that didn't make it to the final product?

RiotFauxSchizzle23 votes

"Naturally"

LiquidSilverAce7 votes

Can we get some insight into how his name came to be? Was Aurelion derived from aurora, and then Sol came from the Latin for sun? Did you guys have any other names for him before deciding to go with Aurelion Sol, which is pretty well-suited for a champion of his... ego.

RiotFauxSchizzle21 votes

Actually, you're pretty in the ballpark.

We tried a bunch of other names, but none had the grandeur of Aurelion Sol.

Iomede and Phaxmallion come to mind as names that were floated but didn't really grab our interest.

Furnace Of Souls6 votes

what was your favorite part about making Aurelion Sol? Also why was that your favorite part?

Riotlonewingy37 votes

Drawing dragons, because I love dragons ;)

Çhåryzård6 votes

How did you go from a storm dragon to a space dragon?

RiotFauxSchizzle24 votes

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How did you go from a storm dragon to a space dragon?

Great question! It was a loooong process (over a year!) and in interest of answering more questions I'll be brief about it. Pretty much the entire team that worked on the storm dragon concept had moved on to other projects within Riot. Sometime last year, our DNA pod (Design-Narrative-Art) was asked if we felt comfortable picking up the dragon. Since most of the original vision holders had moved on, we decided to start with a brand new thematic and basically start from scratch. We wanted to find something new, something uniquely league. So we iterated. A lot. During the course of our natural brainstorming time, we hit on the idea of a cosmic star-forging dragon with the personality of a rock star. We had loads of support from our colleagues (other designers, artists, and senior narrative folk) who helped us craft Aurelion Sol.

Rabid Llama13 votes

To add to that, we looked at other spins on dragon - stone dragons, smoke dragons, faerie dragons - but space seemed to capture the right feeling of vastness and power and wonder that a dragon like this deserves. Once we hit on that, it was the obvious choice.

LiKwuid4 votes
  • What was the biggest influence in this champion and how the kit works?
  • What is your favorite build path for this champion, and why?
  • What lane do you like to play the champion, since he can do at least mid and jungle at this time?
  • What was your idea behind his ultimate, seeing that a lot of people find it underwhelming for a star dragon yet it works perfectly in his kit?
  • What do you find is the most unique part of this champion, other than he's the first dragon and he has 3 stars circling him?
  • What was your favorite part of creating this champion? (like his art,or creating his kit, voice work etc?) Thank you for your time in the Q/A

(also any idea when kha'zix skin out? please :P)

RiotRiot TreblMuffin42 votes

Early on in creating a palette of sounds for "Space Dragon", we used this cool homemade trash can instrument with metal wires bolted across it as well as some metal fencing. We spent hours bowing and hitting this thing with a violin bow. There were some fantastic organic, otherworldly sounds that were produced.

That was my favorite bit of Aurelian Sol :)

RiotFauxSchizzle50 votes

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Early on in creating a palette of sounds for "Space Dragon", we used this cool homemade trash can instrument with metal wires bolted across it as well as some metal fencing. We spent hours bowing and hitting this thing with a violin bow. There were some fantastic organic, otherworldly sounds that were produced.

That was my favorite bit of Aurelian Sol :)

WHY DIDN'T YOU INVITE ME?????

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