Well it might just be me but i think ADC is really weak right now and it need a buff when im playing i just feel like a wet noodle and i do no damage i have heard from streams like qtie and gosu also agree with me in which that ADC do no damage idk but i think they need a buff anyone agree?
SeargentAnus4 votesI think late game ADCs need buffs. The current mid game ADCs are doing really well right now outside of the few assassin based ADCs.
AHeroNamedHawke3 votesYeah I think Graves would finally be playable if his crits did 500% damage and his E gave max stacks on the first cast
Might as well make him manaless too
FalconPawwwwnch1 votesI love you
Sightless662 votesYeah, because Graves is totally representative of AD carries, and isn't just an overtuned ADC/bruiser/assassin hybrid that doesn't even play like an ADC anymore.
AD carries being mediocre and Graves being mediocre are two totally different things. Graves can have whatever balance state he wants and it means jack shit for the guys who still have to go bot lane.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesYeah, because Graves is totally representative of AD carries, and isn't just an overtuned ADC/bruiser/assassin hybrid that doesn't even play like an ADC anymore.
AD carries being mediocre and Graves being mediocre are two totally different things. Graves can have whatever balance state he wants and it means jack shit for the guys who still have to go bot lane.
are just "not ADCs" too, right?
How many hairs we splittin' here
Sightless661 votesWell, mainly, we're splitting the big hair of "Graves isn't an ADC". Using him as an example of anything even tangentially related to bot lane balance is just silly.
Throwing a bone to the guys who aren't the Lucian/Ezreal type caster carries definitely isn't out of the question, given that those two represent the large majority of the playrate. Nerfing Graves again also isn't out of the question (although, once again, it is a completely unrelated question to anything dealing with ADC buffs).
AHeroNamedHawke3 votesThey're doing fine. The rest of the guys going bot aren't. Graves is the major outlier, and surprise surprise, he's the least ADC-like of them all.
Throwing a bone to the guys who aren't the Lucian/Ezreal type caster carries definitely isn't out of the question.
Caitlyn is a caster carry now?
Twitch, Ashe and Jinx are all doing just fine too, you can just say "I want these 5 carries buffed to compete" rather than crying that the entire class is unviable
Sightless661 votesCaitlyn is a pick already on the decline in pro play, and is primarily picked when the caster carries who are better than her can't be.
Twitch, Ashe and Jinx are all doing just fine too,
He says, having not even considered them worth including in his first list of carries who are doing well. You know the score just as well as I do.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesCaitlyn is a pick already on the decline in pro play, and is primarily picked when the caster carries who are better than her can't be.
He says, having not even considered them worth including in his first list of carries who are doing well. You know the score just as well as I do.
I can read statistics, instead of just crying with no basis. Do I really need to go over everything for you?
If we're gonna include competitive play, I can also explain to you how the victimized mages are actually broken and need nerfs, since they're pick/ban right now
Sightless662 votesIf we're gonna include competitive play, I can also explain to you how the victimized mages are actually broken and need nerfs, since they're pick/ban right now
Who the fuck are you responding to? Why the hell would you need to "explain" anything about mages to me? Have I given you any sign that I have any misconception about where mages stand? No, seriously, stop and tell me exactly where I bitched about mages being underpowered. Do that right now. Show me where I told you that mages are underpowered. Quote me.
Do not put words in my mouth. That's really fucking insulting. Like, I'm actually annoyed right now, and I wasn't annoyed talking with you before. I was enjoying myself. That's a pretty shitty thing to do.
Hell, this is actually an argument I should be making to you, not the other way around. My argument is that AD carries are generally a less impactful class than other classes in the games. The entire crux of that argument is that the performance of the assassins, mages, tanks, ranged bruisers, and pretty much everyone else (except maybe the melee bruisers) matters more than the performance of every AD carry that isn't Lucian, Ezreal, or Sivir right now.
I can read statistics
Yeah, let's talk about statistics for a second. Namely, how little our available statistics matter for determining the relative balance of classes, particularly AD carries. Right now all ADC winrates totaled together equal out to about 50%. Like they always do. Like they always have and probably always will. This has been true no matter how weak or strong the class has been because AD carries are always played against the limited pool of other AD carries, meaning that mathematically the winrate of all the champions in the class has to equal out to 50% (or very near it, assuming that there are a few games with non AD-carries played bot). That has to be true because in any game where one AD carry wins, another AD carry loses. Because of that, you don't have any statistic to point for saying that AD carries are a weaker or stronger class than other classes are, or that they are as strong as other classes are. We have to extrapolate from actually playing the game, and to entirely frank, what I've seen from the guys I support and what I see on streams leaves me with no doubt that AD carries are less important than the other guys in the game right now. The only exceptions are the very impactful caster carries, and of course Graves, he of little balance.
The only statistic that would really answer this question is how having a player of a given relative rating on a team playing ADC influenced the team's winrate as compared to having a player of that relative rating on a team playing a different champion (for example, if your best playing is on ADC, do you win more or less often than if your best guy is your mid laner?) Without that stat, we don't have a good statistic that is representative of what I'm complaining about.
I also have another statistic: ADC diversity in pro games is at a very low point, even given the already low champion diversity in pro games, and the only ones played are the ones with the strongest survival mechanics and potent early games. That says little for the strength of the class.
Anyway, after that long, overwritten body of text, I'm done for the night and probably the weekend. Later man.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votestldr
Yeah alright, it's gonna be that. I only need to skim your wall of text to understand the pile of garbage before me.
First of all, if you haven't noticed, all of competitive is extremely low diversity. Almost every game has been 
for jungle and 
for top. Are all tanks weak because only a few are played? Are all junglers low influence because only 4 are played? Using the lack of diversity in a pro game to legitimize your complaint about carries is laughable at best. Go look at the pick and win rates for carries in solo queue, many of them are doing just fine, and many are breaking +52% win rates.
Secondly, I will never understand how people can state with a straight face that the only mandatory class of champion in the game is unviable. And no, supports are not a class. Supports are the result of 4 gold streams being shared between 5 players. Mage supports get swapped out for tank supports. AP carries go top and jungle, AD assassins go jungle, top and mid, bruisers go support, junglers go top, etc. But nothing, ever, replaces ADCs in bot lane. We even have ADCs going into the jungle, top and mid lane (though you people will never admit it) but nothing new bot lane. Yet you can honestly say, with a straight face, that ADCs do not have enough of an influence over the game. Give me a fucking break.
JustSaiyan691 votesDude challenger level players, PRO level players, are starting to fucking go mages bot now instead of actual adcs. Now we're getting fucking Ziggs apc, because adcs are just so useless right now. If it isn't a mage bot, it's either caitlyn, Ezreal, or sivir. I've seen these played the most at challenger level because they're the most safe, any other ad with a lower range gets shit on by other tanks, mages, or assassins. Seeing qtie go 6/2 with Caitlyn with 2 fully built items get shit on by a 0/3 Moakai with only a sunfires in the middle of a team fight is mind boggling. Keep in mind Qtie has gone to worlds, he's lcs level, so this isn't something to do with skill.
tsp55521 voteslol please explain how jinx is doing fine. Shorter game times makes it harder for any crit based adc to get that mid to late game power spike when season 7 games on average are lasting shorter amounts of time and the whole meta is shifting toward mage /junglers due to the fact lvling up actualy does something for the power spike of mages and junglers but not to the basic attacks of an adc which is what adcs rely on in there kit. ADCs need a decent amount of time to get ramped up and still ends up feeling like your fighting a losing battle unlike junglers that can jump on you or a mage that can qwer you in 2 sec leaving the adc assuming they dont have some type of insane self peel like ez or cait powerless and feeling very useless even if they have kept up with farm and haven't fed and are staying decently within there teams kills.
AHeroNamedHawke1 voteslol please explain how jinx is doing fine
That post was 9 months old you absolute retard
Do you people just google the names of your favourite champions and move to defend them?
tsp55521 votesLol o you don't like what i said are you so compelled to reply with being vulgar just to show how much you disagree. Sad get a life kid.
AHeroNamedHawke1 votesLol o you don't like what i said are you so compelled to reply with being vulgar just to show how much you disagree. Sad get a life kid.
You had an entire month to reply to this, and couldn't manage to format a single sentence correctly
How many stairs did your parents throw you down?
C9 Midian2 votesYes. Need another tool to deal with all the op tank cc insane damage shit
The Bíg Ticket2 votesList of broken or atleast perfectly playable adcs: Graves, Lucian, Ezreal, Caitlyn, Jinx, Twitch, Corki, Kindred, Ashe, Sivir, Quinn, Miss Fortune, Draven, Varus, Kog Maw, Jhin, Kalista
List of bad adcs: Vayne, Urgot and Tristana.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Bíg Ticket,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceJa37f7,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-05-08T11:48:05.075+0000)
List of broken or atleast perfectly playable adcs: Graves, Lucian, Ezreal, Caitlyn, Jinx, Twitch, Corki, Kindred, Ashe, Sivir, Quinn, Miss Fortune, Draven, Varus, Kog Maw, Jhin, Kalista
List of bad adcs: Vayne, Urgot and Tristana.
those "bad" adc arent even bad, except for urgot.
and i dont know if id call urgot an adc. he doesnt even build like one. hes more of an ad caster.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesYeah I just made a thread about that, they are only "bad" because they are matched vs broken adcs every game...thats why their winrate is so low.
Likiung2 votesis it just me or when you play ADC and you're right with everyone else you seem to be the least effective by far
71883083DEL11 votesno they do not need a buf, what ADC are you talking about?
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesnope. they need nerfs to their item. Imma buy an item that increases my damage output by 60-100% for 2.5k or so gold.
Irelia Bot1 votesContext is needed but generally marksmen are in a better place then most currently.
Calabok1 votesnerf em
Critmaster Garen1 votesadc mains think that adc are weak when theyre not entiely on top of everyone. boy, thats new.
TheNoobyBunch1 votesADC's don't need a buff. They need an item that allows them to survive burst damage without building tanky. Something like Zhonya's or Guardian Angel but it gives either damage, attack speed or lethality stats as well.
