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Pls make Annie an actual champion again

Cptn Han SoloQ·7/8/2018, 8:56:48 AM·7 votes·2,876 views

Before anyone starts crying, read.

I have played Annie since season 5. I startet playing season 4 in silver and then the next season spammed Annie and went p5. Season 6 i went to p1 in soloq and d5 in Teamranked [God I miss it]. I really loved playing Annie before, i would stay calmly in my lane, cs, keep an eye on the map and wait for my chances to decide the game. In todays season 8 League I do not think that that is possible at all for mutliple reasons that the boards often list: her changes in the mage rework, mobility creep, damage creep, overloaded kits, game lenght and AP itemazation.

The mage rework: Annie suffered even though her winrate stayed stable at the time. Showing her passiv stacks so obiously that u couldn't overlook her stun comming up even if u tried weakens her chances the get a good gank from her jungler early massivly unless u want to use ur ONLY escape flash to initiate it. Also the short delay that got added to summoning tibbers - yeah they said that it wasn't added but keep it real guys, how more often do u see people just walking out of annie ults these days? Think everyone suddenly became a prediction god and just annie players didn't? as if. Those changes left her still strong though since other inmobile champions existed and the Ardent Meta wasn't around yet so u could prey on the weak adc to get fed.

Mobility creep: EVERY chmapion that gets reworked/released has some sort of mobility, ms buff or ability to make themselves untargetable. Why this hurts Annie shouldn't be hard to understand at all, since she is as mobile as a potato and only has flash to rely on.

Damage creep: Damage is over the top right now, which shouldnt hurt a burst mage ... right? U think so, but then u see champions abusing certain items, or being just strong overall and the decision of the balance team falls to net nerf the new champions - since they need to be selled - but instead nerf all other champions that just happen to use the same stuff. Not to mention all item changes lowered the amount of ap achievable in the game. At this point u buy deathcap ur u do not have ap. Best expamle is probably rageblade. Yi and Kai'sa are to powerful, so kog'maw, varus and kayle get the big L too. must feel horrible to be a main of one of these chamions right now.

Overloaded kits: Max health damage, true damage, execute damage, insane mobility, new mechanics that often lack counter play until the next champions gets reworked. Nothing of these things sounds new to players. My favorite expamle in such moments is ekko, since i personally find his kit horrible balance wise. He has a mobility/damage passiv, a waveclear q, a soft aoe cc that can be uped to a hard cc if played right [which for some reason gives passiv execute damage?!], a dash that allows him to blink to a target he auto attacks and his ultimate, which is basicly a massiv 'i fcked up better leave' button. Not to mention that all of these spells outrange most mages, he also gets to easily proc electrocute, while his ap scalings got buffed into obilivion so people stop playing him as a tank. I think u already see where i am going with this, even wihtout going into abominations like camille. Annie has a stun which is at best 1.75 sec long, damage q, aoe w, damage reduction e [like that helps when everything is true damage], and an aoe damage ult that spawns a pet which can't even stick to its targets since it lacks the mobility and cc of iverns daisy. That is no fair competition whatsoever. U set urself behind picking this champoin and many others more which i just don't feel this strongly since i do not play them personally.

Game lenght/Ap itemazation: Games are super short in most cases, no secret here. As a result of that people adapt their builds to get as strong as possible as fast as possible. The solution for Annie coming from high elo streamers [cute maw as an example] find their only soultion in skipping the mana item and rush magic pen boots, followed by the oblivion orb. They just rush the boots for mobility + pen, then the orb to get to make true damage vs everyone stupid enough to buy the cheap and strong mr. There is an adc in ur game buying crit items, good for u, u have one target to focus. Ok u cant clear or wave as fast as an assissin, u lose junglepressure since u lose prio in lane against almost all match ups level 3 and trading is impossible since they do not just have more damage but even more range and mobility then u. Honestly, u are a worse Mundo, since Mundo can at least tank some damage. An hourglass gets necessary too, which means ur deathcap is nowhere to be seen around minute 20, hence, u do not get to even use ur 0.8 and 0.85 ap scalings. But finally u are almost a ur deathcap, well to bad for u ur enemie mid pressured u under ur turret all lane and then roamed, u obviosuly can not follow since u get oneshoted before u even get to press a button, ur manage to flash away and are now uesless for 300 seconds since u do not have flash so u can not engage.

**What i am asking: ** Can we pls get Annie buffs/a rework? If u think she will completly go apeshit in bronze if u buff her early game to stand on the same ground as other champions i understand that, but then rework her since at this point her existence is irrelevant. I would rather have a completly new champion that at least is playable, then having to get mad everytime i make the mistake to think "why not play ur favorite champion?" TIme has really got the better of her and since it is obvious a longer game time is not wished by riot [hence they do not buff turrets] i see no way for her to be usable if u plan on making a difference in the victory of ur team. Sure people will come here and complain that there are diamond annie otp players, well guess what they all used to be challenger. I hope i didn't rant to much, I just really needed to type this out since it really frustartes me. This post will do nothing, honestly it is just here to make me feel just a slight bit better. Maybe some mains of champions that aren't Annie but suffer the same problems can share them. Spare urself the hate comments towards champions u personally do not like, this is a thread supposed to just get this stuff out here where maybe, one good soul at riot reads this and at least tries to bring this up.

27 Comments

Unstoppable Monk7/8/2018, 9:44:13 AM5 votes

"My champion can't get Challenger, pls buff."

smallpigie7/8/2018, 9:41:22 AM2 votes

your absolutely fucking right and this is sad. There are other similar posts going around about somewhat similar topics, how assassins are op, more so then they absolutely NEED to be and there is little counter play since their items are better in many cases then mages item choices. An example I have of a champion that has suffered imo is [vayne-pose] i mean come on, the games are all about who wins early game, and Vayne has one of the weakest early games among adcs, now lets combine that with how bad adcs are right now and how there are bruisers and mages in the bot lane. WHY THE FUCK. sure she can still be op if u get a few items maybe make it to mid or late game but most games in this meta are OVER by 30 minutes, you don't get the hard fought, 40 minute comebacks or even just the equally matched 30 minute games. No its now all about ooo who can get the most kills by 10 minutes, and by default win the game. Guess what buddy, if your playing Vayne, that prolly wont be you. Even if by some miracle a swain doesn't obliterate you in lane, your top or mid feeds? gg. I mained Vayne on my other account, too bad assassins roam around killing u every chance they get, even if no lanes feed by some miracle, you'll still die 24/7 to the nocturne jg ( this is from my personal experience, we won but I contributed nothing and must have had at least 13 deaths from him ulting me every time i popped up on the god damn map) Vayne used to be a character that was all about the outplays and late game carry, now its " lol i may as well be trolling ez win for enemy team" at this point you cant even outplay an assassin because half of them like noc rengar and talon you cant even see until they are literally on you, and the ones you CAN see like zed, well they have multiple gap closers so even if u do somehow land a pro condemn, you STILL die. Its sad and I hate what they have done with this meta. Maybe new reworks or changes will bring it back. But hey if they don't I called it. After all, they don't want games to last too long for the people watching the lcs, because why would they give a fuck about OUR games. Look, I'm not just trying to bash riot, from my experience i can say they are good people and, especially their support team, go through a lot on a day to day basis. I'm just saying this meta where all thats matters is that you get early kills, and late game adc's or mages are useless. This needs to be changed.

S V 7/8/2018, 9:35:20 AM1 votes

Isn't Annie's kit just simple point click lockdown? Why should this be rewarded with a buff when there's a vast number of champs out there that are even worse? She has a pretty simple kit to use with the only limitation being her range. I've read it and you are complaining about everything that goes against Annie but it's Annie. Charge Q refunded Mana, pressure for lockdown or shove and roam? She may not be the most popular mid but she's still viable in comparison to some champs that actually need a rework like Kayle Amumu or Kalista. Although Riot has messed up on current patches, the idea of high risk/skill ---> reward still remains with champs seen in today's play.

Warlord Rhinark7/8/2018, 10:02:23 AM1 votes

She has a 51% winrate so she has to be good for something.

https://champion.gg/champion/Annie/Middle?league=

naymless7/8/2018, 7:00:01 PM1 votes

Annie is fine, especially at your elo.