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Now That Illaoi is Informally in Solo Q God Tier...

Jackalrat··3 votes·1,971 views

http://www.nerfplz.com/2017/12/2017-best-champions-tier-list-solo.html

Can we please discuss this immensely obnoxious champion? I back and forth between a good set of vastly distinct top laners: Nasus, Vlad, Garen, Gnar, Darius, Jayce, Maokai, and Renekton...

This is a wide range of counters and strategies but I universally find Illaoi is always my toughest opponent. I know /how/ to fight her, and I'm not saying I never beat Illaois...but for her to be consistently such a strong pick, I feel like she's overtuned. Her weaknesses are basically non-existent in laning phase, and she remains relevant for nearly all stages of the game.

While she is kiteable, on lane phase she will win any all in but then likewise harass you tremendously. Also, the number of tentacles she can spawn can often feel dramatically excessive. Like you'll kill 3 back-to-back, shoved under your own tower, and more will start loading in. All the while she's just focused on farming while her randomly positioned AI puts you in bullet hell, knowing that if you come close she can smack you like she were a farmed Nasus even though it's early game.

Additionally, her ult is some of the most disproportionately massive burst to be on a high survivability hero. It easily rivals most of the execute ultimates without the requirement your opponent already be particularly low.

I don't expect everyone to agree, this is just my two cents. However, seeing her take Shen's place in nerfplz's Solo Q God Tier convinced me I'm not the only one who feels she might be a bit too strong.

15 Comments

Jorencice3 votes

Cant you dodge her entire ults damage though?

I am Pacman3 votes

Lol she is not overturned at all. She just pubstomps low Elo because if the way she is designed.

Low Elo is full of morons who constantly engage and don't understand her kit or how to eat it.

The gist of it is mostly mind games around dodging her e and then punishing her for it.

Low Elo can't even understand the base game let alone mind games around baiting skillshots.

Of the champions you mentioned Vlad and Jayce would be best. Both can easily poke her without needing to risk getting hit by e.

Gnar is also great especially in mini with his slow. As soon as she misses e just start pounding her face in with q and slows.

If the melees nasus and garden would be best. Nasus can sit back and farm her tentacles and garen should always be tanky/fast enough to never be in range of her to die.

Again illaoi CAN beat all of these matchups if they walk in straight lines to farm or towards her to harass because all she wants to do is hit e.

Another tip: if you are under tower and you got hit with e and are now spawning tentacles just stick one on the tower and DON'T KILL IT. Just sit near it (don't go near the other wall furthest from the tower) dodge the initial slam and just wait for the test to end THEN kill it. It won't spawn more if you are close enough to a tentacle already.

The tentacles aren't random, they spawn on the closest wall. You can influence this and so can she.

Swiftstrike41 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Pacman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bVlhOTJv,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-18T19:12:25.421+0000)

Lol she is not overturned at all. She just pubstomps low Elo because if the way she is designed.

Low Elo is full of morons who constantly engage and don't understand her kit or how to eat it.

The gist of it is mostly mind games around dodging her e and then punishing her for it.

Low Elo can't even understand the base game let alone mind games around baiting skillshots.

Of the champions you mentioned Vlad and Jayce would be best. Both can easily poke her without needing to risk getting hit by e.

Gnar is also great especially in mini with his slow. As soon as she misses e just start pounding her face in with q and slows.

If the melees nasus and garden would be best. Nasus can sit back and farm her tentacles and garen should always be tanky/fast enough to never be in range of her to die.

Again illaoi CAN beat all of these matchups if they walk in straight lines to farm or towards her to harass because all she wants to do is hit e.

Another tip: if you are under tower and you got hit with e and are now spawning tentacles just stick one on the tower and DON'T KILL IT. Just sit near it (don't go near the other wall furthest from the tower) dodge the initial slam and just wait for the test to end THEN kill it. It won't spawn more if you are close enough to a tentacle already.

The tentacles aren't random, they spawn on the closest wall. You can influence this and so can she.

Nasus gets destroyed by an Illaoi with any semblance of competence. He gets shoved under tower and she can easily hit him with a curse while he tries to farm under tower. Bad Illaois usually just miss their curse or don't place it outside of tower aggro, however, if Nasus is shoved and then cursed he can't pick up farm or XP unless he wants to die.

Klepto also gives her a sharp gold advantage too and a lingering presence with mana to cast her skills. I started encountering much better Illaoi's and the matchup is not in Nasus's favor past Plat IV probably.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

Another tip: if you are under tower and you got hit with e and are now spawning tentacles just stick one on the tower and DON'T KILL IT. Just sit near it (don't go near the other wall furthest from the tower) dodge the initial slam and just wait for the test to end THEN kill it. It won't spawn more if you are close enough to a tentacle already.

Is this for real?

Holy shit, thank you.

Rayjay Redfang2 votes

Other toplaners are weak now because of the runes. Things will even out once other toplaners have a better rune set. Illaoi is a lane bully and a sub par splitpusher. She is a pain to deal with, but a lot of champions are. I'd rather lane against illaoi than ornn.

Colton1471 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rayjay Redfang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bVlhOTJv,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-18T17:09:03.803+0000)

Other toplaners are weak now because of the runes. Things will even out once other toplaners have a better rune set. Illaoi is a lane bully and a sub par splitpusher. She is a pain to deal with, but a lot of champions are. I'd rather lane against illaoi than ornn.

Ornn's been gutted from his nerf.

Rayjay Redfang1 votes

Which nerf?

Sasogwa1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rayjay Redfang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bVlhOTJv,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-12-21T12:52:38.098+0000)

Which nerf?

Patch 7.24

Ornn

Bellows Breath (W) :

Target's maximum health ratio reduced to 10 / 12 / 14 / 16 / 18% of the target's maximum health from 12 / 14 / 16 / 18 / 20%. Cooldown increased to 13 / 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 seconds from 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 / 8.

Rayjay Redfang2 votes

That wasn't really that bad. Ornn mains are fine with it because it was a reasonable nerf.

Ashe mage AD1 votes

I only ever play these 2 pocket picks vs her, one is Shyvana where I play reactionary and she can hardly do sh!t (her Q counters the tentacles, her W counters the sould reap, ult counters ult if used right, E is a good farming tool so you don't have to risk your neck for each minion). The other is a tank Akali with an item set specifically tailored for the match up that hardly fails unless I get cheesed early cuz of whatever circumstances, the laning is admittedly a bit rougher compared with Shyv's but since I have 200k mastery on Akali I'll manage any day.

xGunna11 votes

she is op champ

Jackalrat1 votes

Have to disagree with any notion of her not being overtuned atm. Chances are, all the God tier champs are overtuned slightly, but she is just an impossibly frustrating champ to go against. I don't feel like she has any real counters at all. And dear God the number of tentacles she spawns can get really stupid really fast.

Vargrjalmer1 votes

There is lots of counterplay to her, but she is in fact incredibly unhealthy for the meta, hers a few points on why. -you can kill her tentacles to counter her, but what do you gain out of this? she spawns them passively for no mana, and every time you go for one it gives her opportunity to engage and gives you nothing. -her tentacles are too wide and fast, she actually places it right, unless you have a dash, there is zero chance of dodging it, unless you have some crazy ms -her tentacles heal her -_- -you can walk away when she ults, but the fact is that as soon as she ults, youre going to take at least one slap unless your flash is up... one slap from MULTIPLE tentacles, which at lvl 6 will kill you at half health.

heres some ideas to fix it -no more passive tentacle spawning, she has to last hit 8 minions to spawn tentacles (like every other champion who has additional entities as damage tools, you would actually have to work for them, imagine if yorick passively spawned graves for free or heimer spawned turrets for no mana (its already only 20 mana which is ridiculous considering the potential damage output) -higher mana costs, lane bullying on her level with the low mana costs she has is absolutely wrong -her ult should not spawn more tentacles, it should use existing tentacles in the environment, so she would actually have to set up for a large ult, alternatively, lower the damage her ult spawned tentacles do, and boost the damage from preexisting ones, this would creat a syndra like ult that requires patience and proper timing to utilize well.

just some ideas

TheThundersRoar1 votes

As a jungler, I dread going up against Illaoi. I can't think of any other champion that can consistently 1v2 the enemy top and jungler even when not fed. It's even worse if she's fed, because my laner will be begging for ganks that I can't give because it's just a free double kill.

Vargrjalmer1 votes

I dont usually lose lanes to an illaoi, to beat her you just have to out push her, Renekton eats her alive as soon as she misses her e, just skip a few autos, do your slice in, auto w q and dice out. any longer than that and you risk getting instantly blown up by her ult. after getting a kill on her (very early before her scaling becomes retarded) you roam and gank for your team, then recall and tp back to lane. rinse and repeat.

in theory

however, one game i remember very clearly i was an 8/4/8 renekton or something, and this little 4/4 illaoi runs over, presses e, and as im pushed up pretty far i immediately retreat ( she was under tower and healthy) I IMMEDIATELY lost 80% of my hp to her e alone.... this is simply incorrect, that kind of damage should be reserved for ultimates that take time to set up, the fact that she is hitting a stationary, pacifistic representation of me and almost killing me is absolutely bonkers. it shouldnt be able to take more than 20% of your hp on its own, considering how hard it already is to deal with getting pulled in lane phase. personally i play a high mobility bruiser, and the second she e's me i all in her (with illaoi between you and the soul so she isnt dealing double damage) enough damage dealt to her seems to cancel her e, or maybe its the fact that i go in and stun her.

my 2 cents, she's far over tuned in terms of the damage she deals in proportion to the amount of effort and THOUGHT it takes to dish out said damage, compare to syndra, who takes a crazy amount of setup to 100-0 all in someone, but as a price, is a naturally squishy target. i could provide a dozen more examples but this paragraph is a lot longer than I originally anticipated, so ill cut it short. Cheers

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