BANS IN ARAM

treeidiot·Apr 3, 2019·25 votes·12,717 views

I am a plat player and a lover of ARAM. I have over 3500 ARAMgames played. I understand certain champions being overpowered in that game mode. They definitely needed to add some adjustments to the champions to make the game more fair. (Although only so much can be fair in an ALL RANDOM mode). Having added champion specific nerfs and buffs, as well as nerfs to distance poke, there should be no need to add bans! Especially not 10 bans. From what my friends have experienced in PBE and myself today in the normal client, mages are the main ban.

I didn't fall in love with ARAM to be limited in my champs of play. I liked chance of getting someone I didn't know how to play or someone I excelled at. Bans in ARAM seems to hurt the core idea of the game. ALL RANDOM ALL MID

What do you think about this? Anyway that RIOT would possibly revert this? Or atleast lesson the bans in number?

73 Comments

NoGhostApr 4, 201911 votes

I completely agree; ARAM is supposed to be a casual gamemode, why add bans and make it more serious? I want to hop into queue, get a random champ immediately and play. Not spend time waiting for people to finish banning.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20199 votes

ARAM accounts though defeat the purpose of getting a RANDOM champion.

PsYcHoT1kApr 4, 20194 votes

as someone who has never had an "aram" account and own mostly all characters i welcome the challenge, and know im overall a better player at most chars than they are at 4 chars. this aram account thing is actually an issue? ive not noticed it. in my 10k or so games.

VehemotApr 13, 20191 votes

I play almost exclusive ARAM and I have not noticed it either.

paisyApr 3, 201910 votes

Love the bans, never need to see shit like veigar again

CHODES AND LOADSApr 4, 201910 votes

"boo hoo i cant have the aram globe trotters on my team every other game anymore"

cry me a fucking river. this is the best thign to ever hit this game mode.

Lazy GrandpaApr 4, 20199 votes

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"boo hoo i cant have the aram globe trotters on my team every other game anymore"

cry me a fucking river. this is the best thign to ever hit this game mode.

the best thing that could ever hit this game mode is all champs unlocked by default and then randomized for each team. we wouldn't need bans this way. or atleast i wouldn't feel fucked over knowing that it was true equal chance

ChampagneMeApr 5, 20194 votes

This sounds like a much better idea. I don't understand why bans were needed, good champs are fun to play by everyone and now you'll never be able to play them in ARAM because they're always banned. I thought the game mode was fine, the biggest setback was rarely the champs, but players and 4v5s. It's random, if they have a problem with someone having a low pool to select from then increase the pool. The ranked play hasn't been appealing to me for years, especially since ARAM came out. Now I sit in ARAMs and say goodbye to the champs that were fun to draw on. This solution won't change the fact all the other factors that makes a team lose still exist. I'd be surprised if this changes anyone's win/loss ratio if that's what they're basing fun off of.

KanzlerApr 4, 20199 votes

If you're only able to have fun in aram by playing incredibly oppressive champs, then you're not playing it "as a fun and casual mode". Sorry aram accounts, looks like you're SoL now.

Archaic MythosApr 4, 20195 votes

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If you're only able to have fun in aram by playing incredibly oppressive champs, then you're not playing it "as a fun and casual mode". Sorry aram accounts, looks like you're SoL now.

this.

Genghis KhatApr 3, 20198 votes

Aram bans are good and i hope they stay forever. no more will you have games where enemy team consists of xerath,lux,ziggs,kaisa,(who cares at this point) vs 4 melee champs. feels actually good man.

treeidiotApr 3, 20194 votes

Well they also decreased long range poke by a significant amount and did champion specific nerfs as well.

SnowOrchidApr 3, 20197 votes

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I am a plat player and a lover of ARAM. I have over 3500 ARAMgames played. I understand certain champions being overpowered in that game mode. They definitely needed to add some adjustments to the champions to make the game more fair. (Although only so much can be fair in an ALL RANDOM mode). Having added champion specific nerfs and buffs, as well as nerfs to distance poke, there should be no need to add bans! Especially not 10 bans. From what my friends have experienced in PBE and myself today in the normal client, mages are the main ban.

I didn't fall in love with ARAM to be limited in my champs of play. I liked chance of getting someone I didn't know how to play or someone I excelled at. Bans in ARAM seems to hurt the core idea of the game. ALL RANDOM ALL MID

What do you think about this? Anyway that RIOT would possibly revert this? Or atleast lesson the bans in number?

I completely agree with these comments and suggested solutions. I've been mainly playing ARAM for years, and rarely venture to SR anymore unless it's ARURF or another fun game mode, or a few ranked games a season. I think the changes they've made and items currently added to ARAM are just fine, but I find after playing today, I don't enjoy the bans at all.

ARAM is just sometimes going to be unbalanced or goofy team comps, but that's the fun of it. If you play enough, you're on one of these sides and either have an OP game, or hope everyone agrees to surrender at 8 min :). I feel like the bans start putting too much attempt at a tiny bit of strategy and then take away some of the fun. Plus, I have a feeling some of my fav champs will always be banned and I'm not necessarily wanting to go to a SR game to play them.

RatpieApr 3, 20196 votes

I mostly play ARAM, thousands of games played and I think the bans are really lame. What is the point of even playing ARAM? first rerolls and now bans? Just call it SR lite. With proper balancing for ARAM there shouldn't need to be bans. I see all this Veig complaints, but he wasn't even one of the best. Sona and Ziggs are insane. WIth the new nerfs I did actually see a Sona lose with a decent team. Much better (she is still plenty strong though). Only played vs 2 ziggs so far and they both lost (although both players had no clue what they were doing).

Bans are a weak bandaid for bad balancing.

Remove the bans and watch how the nerfs affected the gameplay. There shoudln't be champs that you just dont ever get to play.

My 2 cents for what they are worth - remove bans, keep tweaking the nerfs, and OPEN ALL CHAMPS FOR ARAM.

PsYcHoT1kApr 4, 20197 votes

100% agree that good characters are going to get shelved, good FUN characters and therefore fun is being removed from game. if you dont like veigar learn to play jhin, caitlyn, nidalee anyone with long range poke... dont remove him.... beat him.... learn.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20196 votes

.... How are people gonna choose Jhin, Caitlyn and Nidalee if it is a random mode????? Also how are you certain that the enemy team is gonna get Veigar?

ElewdApr 4, 20196 votes

it just means i wont see champion 118 in arams anymore, and im happy. we also wont see Ziggs Sona or Lux in aram again either which sucks for those people who like that champion but bans were kind of needed. Ziggs and Sona had almost 90% winrates in aram.

Daddy AntsApr 4, 20196 votes

No.

Bans in ARAM are the best thing to happen to the mode in a long time.

People ban Mages because Mages are what ruin ARAM.

PsYcHoT1kApr 4, 20192 votes

spoken like someone who only plays yi.

Daddy AntsApr 4, 20192 votes

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spoken like someone who only plays yi.

Lmao, incorrect.

I play Vayne, Jinx, Kai'Sa.

Joseph StaluxApr 12, 20191 votes

What's fun is that you and others absolutely miss that it doesn't prevent being pitted against numbingly broken team. It's the whole concept of the thing, it's RANDOM. There is so much champs, it only piss off aram accounts, and a simple solution would be to allow all champs in aram. This is dumb on so many levels, you can't really defend this position.

And as others said, the rerolls are what should be tackled honestly. This is the real problem.

(Coming from someone with all champs, that can reroll at minimum once everytime, 2 rerolls every two games.)

Edit: And to add to the r%%%%%ed train of thought they had when tuning this, Trynda is absolutely insane with the two new items, add to that his buff, the nerf to poke, you basically just go straight to the team when you see them using their cc and it's a free field of bloodshed for the good 'ol Barbarian. I personally love it, no one expects it.

Daddy AntsApr 12, 20191 votes

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There is so much champs, it only piss off aram accounts, and a simple solution would be to allow all champs in aram.

ARAM accounts are basically cheating the system anyway.

You're supposed to get a RANDOM champion.

Not a random champion out of a select few overpowered champs you purchase.

Joseph StaluxApr 13, 20191 votes

I'm right with you here. There would be quite some solutions available, like giving all champs just for aram, limiting the access to aram depending on your numbers of champ or lvl (but this one would somewhat hurt Riot revenue, so I don't think we'll see it anytime soon, kinda the same for the first option). Riot wanting to make money is mostly why we get such a rotten solution to this problem. And I get it, they have to make money but hell, if it needs to damper our enjoyment of a FUN mode, where are we going really?

hrooza dota Apr 4, 20195 votes

ok remove the bans, but unlock all champions in the game and remove reroll.

true randomness or bans

MrjigxawApr 6, 20195 votes

I agree, bans have ruined my favorite game mode :*(

PsYcHoT1kApr 3, 20194 votes

please lower the amount of bans to 3, 10 bans is way too high im sure you already know that, as someone who ONLY plays autorandom and have for the last decade or so i am very disappointed about you guys trying to fix something that IS NOT BROKEN, the mode is awesome and it lives up to its name AUTO RANDOM, putting in bans at all defeats the purpose, putting in 10 bans defeats the game mode. why not give people an extra roll or increase their chances of gettting a character that is considered "elite" in autorandom by a certain amount with each loss or something.

basically you have condemned the best characters in this mode of the game and thats just shady guys. its not rank its not monitored recorded or even cared about 15 minutes after the game is over, this idea is overboard and as someone who owns all of the characters but 10 i used to be afraid of veigars and mundos too, until i got good.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20196 votes

ARAM accounts though defeat the purpose of getting a RANDOM champion.

And it's not so much of being afraid of Veigar, but it's getting a team comp like Veig/Lux/Jhin/Brand/ZIggs, etc. Also his stun can take up half of the lane.

A Wounded HealerApr 4, 20194 votes

I thought at first "meh, that's better." But Lux and Sona were banned and I love playing those two in ARAM!

Daddy AntsApr 4, 20196 votes

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I thought at first "meh, that's better." But Lux and Sona were banned and I love playing those two in ARAM!

"I love playing those two in ARAM!"

Of course you do......

They are 2 of the most broken champions in the game mode.

A Wounded HealerApr 4, 20193 votes

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"I love playing those two in ARAM!"

Of course you do......

They are 2 of the most broken champions in the game mode.

Well, I main Sona so I love playing her in every game mode. Haha.

PAPA FRITA1978Apr 7, 20193 votes

I agree, ARAM WAS fun......STOP THE BANS! now it's not fun anymore.... :(

LovelleApr 7, 20193 votes

It's probably to help deal with ARAM only accounts. Siege mages in particular are exponentially better than most of the roster on Howling Abyss, so I can see why many would want them banned. It actually makes playing melee champions, or getting a mostly melee team, more tolerable.

Ice Weasel XApr 3, 20192 votes

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What do you think about this? Anyway that RIOT would possibly revert this? Or atleast lesson the bans in number?

The official announcement that went out weeks ago described this as a test (much as last year's Butcher's Bridge tested some feature changes). So yes, there's a chance that it will be reverted once the Butcher's Bridge event is over, depending on the results they get.

treeidiotApr 3, 20191 votes

Oh, I thought the items were being tested but the bans and champion nerfs were here to stay.

Ice Weasel XApr 3, 20195 votes

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Oh, I thought the items were being tested but the bans and champion nerfs were here to stay.

What they decide is purportedly based on feedback, so stay vocal about your dislike and reasoning for the best chances of a reversion.

Duchess KatarinaApr 3, 20192 votes

It's experimental, so the bans are only here for this patch. They implemented the bans to stop ARAM accounts. Throughout the years, players have been wanting Riot to do something about ARAM accounts, and they finally have.

treeidiotApr 3, 20192 votes

Arent the past 2 free week rotations added to the current free week for that reason? That increases the champ pool quite a bit.

Duchess KatarinaApr 3, 20191 votes

Only the current week's free rotation, which only adds in 14. There can be overlap too in the free week and an ARAM accounts champion pool. While it does increase the champion pool it can add good champions into the roster as well bad.

ElewdApr 4, 20191 votes

Aram has 5 weeks of free rotation available in aram so the champion pool will always be 50+ champions. this was changed like a good while ago.

edit its 3 weeks not 5, i thought it was past weeks of free champions + the current week my bad.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20191 votes

Where are you getting 5 weeks of free rotation? It's only 1... so it's only 14 champions available... and there is potential overlap with that. Even so there is always a chance of getting good champs and bad champs with a free rotation.

MinardeApr 4, 20192 votes

It's 3 weeks, actually, as of patch 8.11 back in May 2018. So 42 champs in ARAM's free rotation.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20192 votes

Oh okay thank you for the correction then! Sorry I was checking the ARAM wikia. :P

Original SinApr 4, 20191 votes

Source?

MinardeApr 4, 20192 votes

Person you're replying to is incorrect. It's 3 weeks of free rotation, meaning 42 free champs. Change was made back in patch 8.11 in May 2018.

Original SinApr 4, 20191 votes

Love how the people on the boards just pulls things out of their ass. 5 weeks, 1 week.. sigh

Thanks.

ElewdApr 5, 20192 votes

TY for the link, i could've sworn it was 4 weeks + the current week. i was off by a bit but i knew it wasn't 1 tho.

SaevumApr 4, 20192 votes

There is a chance that they remove the Ban option. Part of the ARAM playerbase with aram only champions buy skins too. That might trigger the Riot flag.

JaspersApr 4, 20192 votes

I'm fine for the event but I'm not sure about the future. As you say it is meant to be all random but the reroll bin did more to remove random nature than this will. Reroll bin meant you could go against a Zyra, Ziggs, Sona, MF, Ezreal team easily.

All Bans do is cancel that out by removing the problem champs before the game even starts.

Some of the other changes are fine, reduced damage/healing, poke protection etc. But I feel ARAM might be better if they went back to no reroll bin.

Oh and Zyra needs a damage nerf, Riot, how did you miss her?