Season 5 Jungle Changes?

Boy Meets World·10/10/2014, 11:15:02 PM·8 votes·62,247 views

I'm not heavily educated about the upcoming changes to the jungle in Season 5, but after watching Stonewall008's PBE jungle video, I am terrified about the future of jungling in League of Legends. I know Riot hasn't made these changes permanent, but still. Being a jungle main, I don't know if I'll ever jungle again after such dramatic changes. *Dramatically Faints

Stonewall008's PBE Jungle Video Links

Diana - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqNidYidOBM&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Hecarim - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_qV2oS7PI&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Nunu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-BkJH2HD4g&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Sejuani - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfUyyEBnRlU&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Kha'Zix - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfwApMEvDOU&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Darius - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIj6Hn_MG8o&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Shen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS8yIrgzV38&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Udyr - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsroNWuyc5E&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Fiddlesticks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5KldTiMTg&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Nautilus - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFd3V9UKYM&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ Trundle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBQ8EPaaF0&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ

Tell me what you think about this in the comments!

25 Comments

GnarLs Barkley10/22/2014, 12:05:06 PM6 votes

OK Riot.. & Every Reader.

Instead of giving Stonewall a bad time for his gameplay footage, which is not as bad as some think. Let's think about the impact this has on all players.

First, Stonewall is a very capable and skilled player who is more capable than 90% (( and that is being very generous to players)) of Ranked NA. If hes having problems, which are obviously happening, it doesn't matter how much more damage he could of avoided as a pro, 90% of NA players are going to do just as bad or worse.

And if you want to look at it as, maybe its just NA who cant handle this, think again. People all over the world are shaking their heads at these mechanics. Even Koreans. And they are Demigods.

Now obviously I'm not going to go into how bad NA is, we all know it. But we have to agree that if the rest of the world is troubled with these changes, chances are there is a problem and we shouldn't just brush it off as 'oh that footage wasn't the most pro thing I could have seen'

If it were incredibly pro footage would you have a problem? NO. You would think there is no problem because he breezed through it!

Instead of trying to ignore the problem, Players. Think about it like this. If you're in Gold I or lower, this probably will effect you badly. ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE IN BRONZE AND SILVER OR UNRANKED.

You need to actually consider that people are going to find the jungle so undesirable, now that the Jungler is completely alone, very in danger of losing his camps due to enemy invades and unable to even contest them, and if not that, no one will even leash for him in the start because the timers are no longer worth waiting for if you have lane minions to farm.

Pre S5 players will lose interest in the position because its difficulty is not what they are used to. New players starting in Season 5 will not be able to utilize it until they hit 30, undoubtedly leading to their whole leveling period being even more toxic than what its like to have a new player. Remember when you took Taric Mid back in your first game of League? Want to see a new player Die to the Razor-Beaks every few minutes and rage quit every time you go to level a smurf?

Team_Builder is going to be ousted, because no game will ever start because nobody will ever say "Lets go and play in the jungle, I'm excited to be treated like dirt for not being able to clear my jungle without going back and losing my blue buff because the enemy ADC and support had 3 whole minutes to take it freely before I could even attempt it.'

I'm a fatalist and I see the worst possible outcome in scenarios. I know this when I write all this out. But if you try to blow it off as I'm overreacting you should look really hard at the people around you in your next match and don't try to tell me you don't see how a person could come to this conclusion.

I want Riot to see this and ask themselves, If our Userbase was toxic when the game was fun for every player, how bad are they going to get when a position becomes undesirable?

And no, Support was not this kind of Undesirable. NOT BUILDING DAMAGE AND ACTUALLY HELPING YOUR TEAM, 'I DON'T LIKE THIS' says most players, is not the same as I CANT KEEP UP WITH THE OTHER PLAYERS AND MY ABILITY TO EVEN HELP THE TEAM IS GONE 'I DON'T LIKE THIS'

If you want to reward the act of team invading the jungle, Fine. Go ahead. But aside from the Invade-capable champions who excel at level 1 jungle invades, you have about 60 champions who are getting the crap end of the stick. Just like 4 out of 5 enjoy the game their playing and the 5th guy is like, why is my job so hard, i should become a professional (Opt.) Laner so I can enjoy the game again.

I Garen Tee these changes if left unchecked and only slightly modified to still increase the overall difficulty without offering better incentive, Lower ELO (for lack of a better term) players will start to demand Duo top and bot lanes, say screw the jungle, and the overall feel of ranked games will deteriorate into why even bother. Solo Queue is even more pointless.

junglerboy1610/11/2014, 1:34:39 PM5 votes

Regardless of the reason, that just looks bad for ALL junglers, Smite needs it's cool down back to what it is, or half of the current jungles are toast. Also, for anyone not 30, this will be virtually impossible! It'll be like when I tried jungling for the first time at level 3!

Wukong 0ne Trick10/15/2014, 3:50:58 PM3 votes

RIP MonkeyKing Jungle... Im not even gonna make it to the second camp...

GlitchFox10/13/2014, 5:18:11 PM3 votes

I hate the new jungle changes. -I dont think the new jungle items give any stat boosts, so you're gonna have to wait even longer just to gank without being too squishy or not having enough damage. -Everyone's probably going to sell the jungle items around late game since it doesnt seem that important to have a buffed smite unless you really want that 2 second CC or desperately need that true damage. -There's no reason to farm jungle anymore. Feral Flare and Spectral Wraith which gave stacks were some of the reasons i ever farmed jungle. This might make you think 'hey let's go gank more then" but then you realize all you have is a jungle item that is only for the jungle so you pretty much gonna only use it for the jungle. which makes sense, but that makes you stay in the jungle longer, barely able to farm like you use to. -Stats again. -Tanky junglers will take even longer to level up or survive. They'll walk into lane and throw a cc, but then have to leave since they arent going to be tanky enough early game.

So I guess Riot really wants this to be a late game, where everyone sells the jungle item.

WhompieWomperson10/11/2014, 4:54:18 AM2 votes

i think riot is just trying to kill early game junglers to put mid to late game more in favor

Boy Meets World10/11/2014, 4:28:05 PM2 votes

I just think that only allowing 2 pots is over the top for such strong camps. Making the camps stronger was one thing, now they're actually taking the ability to clear all camps in one run away. They expect us to go B after every 2 camps -_-.

BoxHeadz10/13/2014, 11:49:17 PM2 votes

your jungling sucks in my opinion... you anticipate on killing them with burn too much and waste your time walking around while they hit you. It is so painful to watch you jungle... this was a horrible preview to season 5 jungling... no one needs to take that much damage as a jungler so early in the game.

junglerboy1610/15/2014, 5:02:25 PM2 votes

Did anyone else notice how basically nobody could jungle well before first back, but everyone could jungle well after first back? I think there should be a more noticeable difference between how sustain based junglers handle it and non sustain jungles handle it. The first clear should stay hard, unless your entire kit is based around sustain (Trundle, Aatrox, Fiddle) and getting a tier two jungle item shouldn't magically fix you if you don't have sustain. Right now, picking a sustain jungler seems to have no advantage over the others, because you are a brutally punished early, and after first back, EVERYONE can suddenly clear with ease, meaning your strong sustain is redundant.

WaIter White10/24/2014, 8:14:03 PM1 votes

rito why u do this. no feral flare no more? why u make lol like nobody will play?

Meep Man10/26/2014, 3:44:10 PM1 votes

You no longer should start off at blue, and only maybe red. Starting at the Krugs or Gromp is extremely good since their Smite skills are very helpful in the jungle. Any camp that gives extra damage or Krugs is the best to start at.

If you are a tank, Gromp is the best to start at since in majority of cases Tanks won't have fast attack speed and will be benefited a lot from the poison (HUGE Rammus buff btw)

If you are a spell oriented champion, starting at Red Buff is great for the burn and extra health regen.

If you are an attack oriented champion, starting at Krugs is the best since an extra stun every 5 basic attacks will help a lot with the early jungle levels.

The only changes I think should be made is reduce the Smite cool down to 50 seconds and reduce the basic attack damage on select camps (Birds, Wolves). Also, Machete should give reduced damage against monsters again and cost 35 less gold for am extra pot so that champions like Evelynn, Wukong, and Vi can survive in the jungle early.

timotank11/1/2014, 5:09:07 AM1 votes

actually Diana pre-jungle change is still viable, she just need spirit of spectral wraith plus stinger or nashors and she will have infinite sustain without having to back for awhile

NoWayIce11/25/2014, 2:03:31 PM1 votes

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