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Ornn top free stat and toplane king

Dorian Dose··2 votes·1,134 views

First of all. don't get me wrong I really love playing tanks and I apreciate that conq got the truedamage removed and that tanks are playable again ist great, but why is one so strong that you have to ban them, pick a hardcounter or loose the lane and some are just barely playable? If you play toplane you know who I'm talking about. It is Ornn. Ornn has extremely hight base damage and one of the best engage ultimates. That alone would be enought to be a good champion. BUT there is this on very disgusting thing called passive ability. First of all. You dont't need to go base and get continuosly stronger on lane without the need of good backport timings. And if this, in combination with hight basedamage is not enought, the stats you get FOR FREE with completing the items are disgusting. And on top the is the fact that one can buy a item for every matchup (either ap or ad oponent) and when you get to the point where he can buy 2 armor items and get 400 armor so you deal less than 30 hp per autoattak against his 4k hp (with 4 complete items where 2 dont give any hp and no warmogs involved) it becomes digusting. and don't get me started that he gifts his upgrades to his teammate too and increases the overall gold value of the team dramatically. I mean in competetive, some analyst say when you are 3k gold down the game is very hard to win/ get back in the game. AND ORNN GIVES 6k FREE STATS. It drives me mad. So pls Riot balancing team. PLS nerf Ornn. I just want to play toplane again

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Tr4shB4NSYST3M5 votes

Ornn is quite weak early, by early i mean before he gets his upgraded abyssal mask and sunfire cape. The reason why is simple, every other lane tank has some form of mitigation or defensive steroid built into their kit, Sion/naut/malphite shields, some have built in damage reduction, Ornn has none of those and relies on upgraded abyssal and sunfire for the extra tankyness other tanks get from their kits.

Also literally all ornn's damage/cc is dodgeable (E terrain knockup hitbox might be a bit big), these factors combine to make him more abusable in lane by many different matchups.

If you let ornn get to high levels without punishing him then yes his scaling is very strong, but to call him the "king of toplane" in this early game focused meta is laughable.

Nyarlathοtep3 votes

Yikes.

Ornn has extremely hight base damage

?????

I compared his base dmg with some other tanks (namely amumu alistar sej and nautilus). Excluding his w they are pretty much the same shit.

You dont't need to go base and get continuosly stronger on lane without the need of good backport timings

He will be forced to go b thanks to something called mana. And ofc his own hp. He cant regain hp without buying hp items.

he stats you get FOR FREE with completing the items are disgusting.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Its funny because its so damn obvious why you find ornn the "king" of top. Because you cant see the problems he usually encounters.

Yeah the items do provide lots of stats. Too bad that before these stats ornn is a very VERY weak tank. You see unlike sion naut or maokai, ornn relies on his exclusive items to make his 10% mean something.

And on top the is the fact that one can buy a item for every matchup (either ap or ad oponent)

And thats bad because?

when you get to the point where he can buy 2 armor items and get 400 armor so you deal less than 30 hp per autoattak against his 4k hp

Something something.... OH YEAH. % penetration and you literally invalidate the tank. Unless the tank in question is malp or rammus.

I just want to play toplane again

ez-fucking-pz. Play morde (ornn wont be able to farm safely without dying also the window to block his ulti is extremely short). Darius can work too as long as you cancel his dash with your e. Fiora and jax will work considering ornn wont be able to proc his winning condition in a trade, brittle. Shen is the only tank that i fear whenever i play ornn because, you guessed it he can block his aa. However unlike the previous two he is such a menace because not only shen can 1v1 ornn with ease, he can use his ulti to help his team AND ruin your ulti with his taunt. Vlad might not kill him. But he will surely get a free pass in laning phase where ornn cant kill him.

boricCentaur12 votes

{quoted}

Yikes.

?????

I compared his base dmg with some other tanks (namely amumu alistar sej and nautilus). Excluding his w they are pretty much the same shit.

He will be forced to go b thanks to something called mana. And ofc his own hp. He cant regain hp without buying hp items.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Its funny because its so damn obvious why you find ornn the "king" of top. Because you cant see the problems he usually encounters.

Yeah the items do provide lots of stats. Too bad that before these stats ornn is a very VERY weak tank. You see unlike sion naut or maokai, ornn relies on his exclusive items to make his 10% mean something.

And thats bad because?

Something something.... OH YEAH. % penetration and you literally invalidate the tank. Unless the tank in question is malp or rammus.

ez-fucking-pz. Play morde (ornn wont be able to farm safely without dying also the window to block his ulti is extremely short). Darius can work too as long as you cancel his dash with your e. Fiora and jax will work considering ornn wont be able to proc his winning condition in a trade, brittle. Shen is the only tank that i fear whenever i play ornn because, you guessed it he can block his aa. However unlike the previous two he is such a menace because not only shen can 1v1 ornn with ease, he can use his ulti to help his team AND ruin your ulti with his taunt. Vlad might not kill him. But he will surely get a free pass in laning phase where ornn cant kill him.

You lose any right to talk after saying this.

"I compared his base dmg with some other tanks (namely amumu alistar sej and nautilus). Excluding his w they are pretty much the same shit."

Like "jinx does pretty shit damage excluded her auto attacks" see pretty dumb.

If you exclude the majority of a champion's damage to say a champion doesn't do much damage you're being disingenuous as fuck.

It's not even hard to hit too it's a pretty easy to get off the majority of it.

Like ornn can do 40% max hp magic damage with a simple combo that even including the rest of the damage it does. That is a fucking lot for a tank to do AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO IGNORE THAT?

I play ornn and his damage is fucking disgusting.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

Like "jinx does pretty shit damage excluded her auto attacks" see pretty dumb. If you exclude the majority of a champion's damage to say a champion doesn't do much damage you're being disingenuous as fuck.

Omegafuckinglol. Apparently i will have to spell it for you. You see the reasons why i excluded his w dmg is because, while its high, its neither uncommon (among tanks) nor its easy to really proc (he has to land his w and then either aa or cc the enemy). Sion, sej, amumu, zac, poppy, tahm, cho and singed (if you count them as tanks) all have % max hp dmg. With the exception of tahm, its pretty darn easy to apply it.

Like ornn can do 40% max hp magic damage with a simple combo that even including the rest of the damage it does. That is a fucking lot for a tank to do AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO IGNORE THAT?

Funnily enough you literally spelled out the reason tanks have max hp % dmg. But even then, yeah he can deal all that. If you stand still and not fight back. Also you forgot to mention how long all this shit takes.

I play ornn and his damage is fucking disgusting.

Yeah 3 ranked games. Also (i hate doing this but) you are at silver. In that elo people arent really known for their good knowledge.

Ragnaveil3 votes

Just pick Fiora into him. The fuck is he gonna do to her when she has % max health true damage, and can parry his cc?

Mavëríck2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dorian Dose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqwpTrnh,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-21T16:27:44.189+0000)

First of all. don't get me wrong I really love playing tanks and I apreciate that conq got the truedamage removed and that tanks are playable again ist great, but why is one so strong that you have to ban them, pick a hardcounter or loose the lane and some are just barely playable? If you play toplane you know who I'm talking about. It is Ornn. Ornn has extremely hight base damage and one of the best engage ultimates. That alone would be enought to be a good champion. BUT there is this on very disgusting thing called passive ability. First of all. You dont't need to go base and get continuosly stronger on lane without the need of good backport timings. And if this, in combination with hight basedamage is not enought, the stats you get FOR FREE with completing the items are disgusting. And on top the is the fact that one can buy a item for every matchup (either ap or ad oponent) and when you get to the point where he can buy 2 armor items and get 400 armor so you deal less than 30 hp per autoattak against his 4k hp (with 4 complete items where 2 dont give any hp and no warmogs involved) it becomes digusting. and don't get me started that he gifts his upgrades to his teammate too and increases the overall gold value of the team dramatically. I mean in competetive, some analyst say when you are 3k gold down the game is very hard to win/ get back in the game. AND ORNN GIVES 6k FREE STATS. It drives me mad. So pls Riot balancing team. PLS nerf Ornn. I just want to play toplane again

Olaf > Ornn

thefatlazycat1 votes

Oh no, a single tank is S-Tier and that's it, how tragic, oh no...

get ahold of yourself, let those of us who want to play tanks have a few viable picks without bitching for nerfs, there are still more bruisers and mages top than there are tanks

WoonStruck1 votes

He's S tier for the wrong reasons.

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