A jungle item for ward hopping but without granting vision

LeeBIanc··1 votes·733 views

From what I understand, the reason trackers knife was removed from eh game was because the vision it gave players too much information and let them avoid death leading to longer and less eventful games. The patch trackers knife was removed on was also joked to be the patch that Lee Sin was killed since he relied on trackers knife a lot for mobility. I feel like a jungle item could be added that would let you place something you could hop to just like a ward but didn't give you any vision, this would remove the trade off of vision for mobility or the other way around some champions like Lee Sin or Jax could benefit from. I know there's the Ingenious Hunter rune that you can take to reduce the cool down of trinkets which would let you ward hop more often, but other champions don't need to make this trade off because they aren't reliant on wards for their dashes. Introducing a jungle item like this could allow these champions to have mobility without trading off vision, they would still have to choose to opt for this item rather than getting chilling or challenging smite but that seems like a more reasonable trade-off than sacrificing mobility and possible impact in the game that comes from it in my opinion

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Cuddly Wolfy2 votes

Honestly... trackers knife just should be returned. Half the time it is just the support making any use of wards in the first place, and the only reason others have high vision scores is because they placed down a control ward that i helped defend hard. Half the time the adc doesnt even let me take the last hit on the ward.... yet they placed the control ward, so it would have given us both exp and gold .-.

Supports and the trackers knife were the only ones that actually did anything when it came to vision apart from removing it.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Honestly... trackers knife just should be returned. Half the time it is just the support making any use of wards in the first place, and the only reason others have high vision scores is because they placed down a control ward that i helped defend hard. Half the time the adc doesnt even let me take the last hit on the ward.... yet they placed the control ward, so it would have given us both exp and gold .-.

Supports and the trackers knife were the only ones that actually did anything when it came to vision apart from removing it.

as a jungle support main nothing missing me off more than having to rely on my teammates to ward when im at my ward cap.

half the time i barely feel like i have enough ward out with a my control ward and my 3 support wards because my teammates are so bad at warding.

when they took trackers knife away and i have to rely on silver people to ward... my god its a fucking nightmare in like 80% of my games only 1 teammate will buy a control ward

and thats not even counting that i cant remove vision now that i dont have trackers

i have NEVER had an issue with an opposing lee, he has been able to ward hope FOREVER.. its really not an issue

and yeah i get that "in LC$ the best players in the world can have too much vision with trackers"

WELL WHO THE FUCK CARES? I DONT PLAY WITH THEM..

if i could rely on my damn teammates to ward in the first place this wouldn't be an issue

the issue is I CANT RELY ON MY TEAMMATES TO WARD.. the issue is

RIOT just us jungle playet the big fact fucking middle finger and said " we dont give a rats ass how you need this to cover your your teammates.

were going to take it away becuase we want the fucking LC$ player to face-check bushes more becuase thier smart enough to actaylly place the fucking wards. and know that damge is so high they can get complely 1 shot by taking a single step out of line in the wrong place.

but those of us with teammates we CAN'T rely on

we cant even sacrifice the ability to duel or chase to even BUY the item to help compensate for our teammates inability to ward properly.

because RIOT DOESN'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT US. only about LS$

what do u know.. I'm still mad about this

HalcyonDweller2 votes

No, ward hopping was a gimmick made far too easy by tracker's knife. It's good that they removed it, now people who want to ward hop face a significant tradeoff for using Lee's defensive dash for offense.

LeeBIanc1 votes

And what if you're using "Lee's defensive dash" defensively? You can only use his w as a dash without placing a ward if you're near an allied wave, an already placed ward, or a teammate.

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