Nerfing Assassins

Gribbz·Jun 9, 2015·6 votes·935 views

Why do Riot nerf assassins outplay potentional instead of their damage? I rather have them nerf their damage then their outplay potentional ( like zed's ultimate and leblanc's distortion speed.

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3tysonJun 9, 20154 votes

if you nerf an assassins dmg so he cant kill a squeeshy hes a worthless champ

Vegas DadJun 9, 20151 votes

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if you nerf an assassins dmg so he cant kill a squeeshy hes a worthless champ

Only if the player is worthless thus WAI. keep in mind assassins are a squishy also? So if that squishy high dmg target cant also kill you at the same time there is a problem, and that is the crux of it it all. Assassins run around with no fear having kits allowing them to kill anyone fast and safely.

3tysonJun 9, 20151 votes

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Only if the player is worthless thus WAI. keep in mind assassins are a squishy also? So if that squishy high dmg target cant also kill you at the same time there is a problem, and that is the crux of it it all. Assassins run around with no fear having kits allowing them to kill anyone fast and safely.

i think a good example of an assassin that is fairly balanced at this point would be nidalee, she can burst down a squeeshy from 100 to 0 she can ascape she forces the adc to position good or get punished hard (position behind the tank )

yet if she makes a mistake goes in on a good positioned adc and the tank does his job ( cc down the assassin ) shes death

DragonfaceJun 9, 20151 votes

Exactly, unlike instant-blink Zed, or double-flash LB, or Free-heal-and-blink-and-massive-damage Ekko.

3tysonJun 9, 20152 votes

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Exactly, unlike instant-blink Zed, or double-flash LB, or Free-heal-and-blink-and-massive-damage Ekko.

funny if id say nidalee is balanced a few patches ago when she was dominating the jungle id get flamed allot

i myself think that these build in blinks are a bit op and should be punished (like the flash in the movie) who becomes weaker afther he flashed somewhere we could make flash and build in blinks all make your defence drop to 0 for 10 seconds ?

this way flashing in will be something you will only do if you are absolutely sure you have the upperhand and flashing out will be something wich will still be strong but if you happen to flash into a ward or an enemy you might be taken out by a suport

DragonfaceJun 10, 20151 votes

Or just remove the complete and utter safety of champs who can blink into a fight, kill someone, and leave before anyone can react.

Zed can't switch back after he ults, forcing him to use his W to escape, for instance. Or make it so LB has to wait 1.5 seconds to use her distortion after casting it the first time.

So many champs are super safe in lower ranked play that people like me who can't ban them all because we only have 6 bans, don't like playing ranked nearly as much as in earlier seasons where champs that had the ability to increase their MOVE SPEED were considered annoying (RIP Garen)

Now, if you don't have a built in blink/Don't buy Righteous Glory, you essentially just get shut down over and over and over.

But Riot, as per usual, either won't respond to this, or will respond with some generic shit about champion balance and how they keep a close eye on these champions and change them accordingly.

No, you don't. You keep an eye on Master and Challenger tier players and if they make "LC$BIGPLAY$" with certain champs and people complain about how ridiculous they are, you "nerf" them (I'm sorry, but that nerf to LB was bullshit. It did NOTHING to her)

Riot has almost no interest in it's lower ranked fan base anymore. All they care about is making their game look cool as fuck to the world and making money. If every Bronze, Silver, and Gold player quit the game, the only reason they'd care is because they're missing out on RP purchases.

disregardableJun 9, 20152 votes

Because they're assassins -_-

GribbzJun 9, 20151 votes

Well the problem is their damage in my opinion :/

A Small DogJun 9, 20152 votes

Well that's what makes them assassins is their high damage. An assassin with low damage, is what we call "useless". I'm not a fan of assassins but I understand the logic in it.

Making them even harder to play so there's more risk for more reward I can get behind.

DragonfaceJun 10, 20151 votes

Or just make it so their mobility isn't so insane. LB jumps on you with a few kills, takes away half your health, and is gone back to safety before she takes any damage.

Yordle XayahJun 9, 20152 votes

Implying LeBlanc's W's speed is an actual nerf and not one of those redundant changes that only work as placebos for Riot to pretend they are nerfing a champion they don't want to really affect since it's a favorite pro-pick.

DragonfaceJun 9, 20151 votes

Like how it took them forever to actually properly nerf Lee.

Yordle XayahJun 10, 20152 votes

Lol, they didn't. They much rather alter/change/destroy the entire meta before really nerfing Lee.

Welcome to Cinderhulk. Lee and Nida as early junglers aren't viable anymore, but Lee was never Fizz'd, to put it in simple words.

JrudJun 9, 20152 votes

Assassins need more counters besides Heimerdinger (situationally), Kayle (when ulti not on CD), Tryndamere (also when ulti not on CD) and other assassins. Riot needs to put out some more anti-assassin champs that have burst mitigation abilities, short invulnerability, and silences, blinds, and escape abilities.

Assassins should be able to assassinate squishies, sure, but they should not be able to assassinate tanks with a single burst IMO. That's just stupid.

DragonfaceJun 10, 20152 votes

Oh my kingdom for more champs with silences. Nothing says "fuck you" like jumping into an enemy team and taking a Cho roar to the face.

ArcticWolf24Jun 9, 20151 votes

true a fed leblanc can basically w Q + R and then e then the squishy pretty much dies.

I wouldn't say there is much outplay potential... anyone can Q+R+W or E

so then they would need to reduce the damage on her spells

DragonfaceJun 9, 20151 votes

I just think they should increase the CD on her W, either that or make it so CDR doesn't affect it. Her mobility is insane at later levels in the game, she can come in, burst someone down, escape, skirt around the battle, wait for CDs, and repeat.

SEKAIJun 9, 20151 votes

Because nerfing the outplay is the right thing to do.

People "outplay" more with champs like Zed not because they all somehow got better by playing him but because the champ offers more safety and options than everybody else. And that's not acceptable.

Assassins are about high damage 1 shotting, so there is nothing wrong with their high base.

"High outplay potential" is just a better sounding substitute for "too much safety and 0 risk", ofc it should be nerfed.

Teridax68Jun 9, 20151 votes

Leblanc 's recent history has been one of nerfs to her kill potential via direct damage nerfs and the removal of her silence, accompanied by buffs to her outplay potential via improvements to her passive and window of usability for Distortion's blink. Zed 's two most recent changes were the light nerfs to his attack speed and increased window of vulnerability on his ultimate. The reason Leblanc is getting nerfs to her Distortion speed and Ethereal Chains width is to make it more difficult for her to just jump in and burst targets down instantly at all stages in the game, and I think it's justified, considering how oppressive she can be during the laning phase and when snowballing. I would also prefer it if Leblanc were to receive more nerfs to her instant burst in favor of more power elsewhere (more emphasis on her utility, perhaps, or more kill potential over time), but right now she needs to get to a point where she doesn't flip instantly from crazy strong to unplayable the moment she loses a bit of damage on her kit.

Vegas DadJun 9, 20151 votes

because outplay should be based on players "outplaying" not assured by the champ they pick? also noone signs up to be the "victim" for all the tards who think assassins are doing their job aka safely killing everyone.