Can we make Zyra more into a mid laner please

Seleukos V·Nov 26, 2019·35 votes·12,753 views

she deserves it

40 Comments

5050BSNov 26, 201922 votes

You mean where she was designed to be. She was my first real main back when she was released. Miss her Midlaneness

Seleukos VNov 26, 20192 votes

yesss

TheDelightedNov 26, 20193 votes

oh man, building will of the ancients for the extra spell vamp, taking that mastery which I can't remember its name as well, and let your enemies' souls wither away as you slowly ate them to regain life.

Hedge WitchNov 26, 20192 votes

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oh man, building will of the ancients for the extra spell vamp, taking that mastery which I can't remember its name as well, and let your enemies' souls wither away as you slowly ate them to regain life.

sweet memories

HP CrookshanksNov 26, 201922 votes

Also Karma Lux Morgana Velkoz Xerath

2Charmnot2CharmNov 26, 20199 votes

Keep morg away from mid and you got yourself a deal.

VashtrelNov 26, 20199 votes

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Keep morg away from mid and you got yourself a deal.

Nah, you keep that trash champion.

Trist mid opopNov 26, 20193 votes

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Nah, you keep that trash champion.

Move her top, and everyone is happy.

WTBeGirl100EUhrNov 27, 20192 votes

Not top laners.

Trist mid opopNov 28, 20191 votes

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Not top laners.

They are already miserable. Atleast now an original toplaner (mages) can go top.

GrumpigNov 26, 20195 votes

Karma, Velkoz, and Morgana are all great mid laners right now. the problem is they don't work that great in solo queue comps

8 Lamar JacksonNov 27, 20194 votes

they all have weaknesses too easy to exploit to be mids, esp with the zeds, talons, fizz', and ekkos.

Jeanne fan clubNov 27, 20195 votes

Overloaded AD leathality cheeser assassins would have to be nerfed to shit, which they should be.

baitangpukaohuaNov 26, 20194 votes

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she deserves it

no you can keep her bot lane

Hedge WitchNov 26, 20194 votes

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no you can keep her bot lane

I still play her mid :)

SpongebobIsLifeNov 26, 20194 votes

Please, i seriously miss her mid

ARandomRedneckNov 26, 20193 votes

...I always play her mid. Is that not normal?

2Charmnot2CharmNov 26, 20192 votes

If it was i dont think it lasted one full year.

When i joined the game (late season 3) she was already seeing most of her games as an support.

Jack GarrusNov 27, 20193 votes

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...I always play her mid. Is that not normal?

I got flamed yesterday to pick her mid

DW DianaNov 28, 20191 votes

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...I always play her mid. Is that not normal?

Same, shes super oppressive and if you run electrocute then her burst is insane xD

P0IS0N IVYNov 26, 20193 votes

OP how do you propose Riot does that?

NTrumpWeTrustNov 27, 20193 votes

Can we stop moving decent supports out of the role? Seriously the bot lane is already extremely stale, we don't need to lose anymore supports. Besides, she's one of the VERY few (the other being Senna) supports who can actually punish the OP supports in lane if they don't engage properly. There's no reason you can't play her mid if you want to. What exactly would make her a mid laner? Her waveclear is good, her poke is good, mana costs are low.

Ahri BakaNov 26, 20192 votes

it's not a mid lane issue , but generally mages suck in mid lane , the highest pick rate mage is Ahri who is hybrid anyway, there are like other 2 mages picked and rest of mages got really really low pick rate. The lane/meta is not good for mages in general , like you can ignore how strong an enemy assassin can be in lane , but when they try to roam , what can you do?

MorgManBasherNov 26, 20192 votes

As someone that mains her support, no thx

hiyaresNov 27, 20192 votes

i mean if they buff her in any way shape of form shes just gonna end up as an even stronger support.

LankPantsNov 27, 20194 votes

The way to 'buff' her is to reduce her base damage/lv slightly and increase her AP scaling quite significantly so that if she builds more AP she does more damage. I'd also say buff her base durability just a little too since that's a huge issue for mid.

But seriously, the reason Zyra isn't played mid is because her main damage ability, her plants doesn't actually scale particularly well with AP. Her plants actually have such high base damage that they end up dealing more damage if you run a cheap pen build vs an expensive AP build. It's no surprise that people put her into a super low econ role with that in mind.

5050BSNov 28, 20191 votes

If they buffed her Plant life then she would be played Mid more and less Support.

She is ONLY support because she cant be played anywhere else.

I missed her being able to play her Jungle.

Really wish Riot would rework her as a Mid/Jungler Role champ.

She is the Queen of the "Wilds" and yet never steps foot into the Jungle and is no stronger in the Jungle where she should be.

hiyaresNov 28, 20191 votes

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If they buffed her Plant life then she would be played Mid more and less Support.

She is ONLY support because she cant be played anywhere else.

I missed her being able to play her Jungle.

Really wish Riot would rework her as a Mid/Jungler Role champ.

She is the Queen of the "Wilds" and yet never steps foot into the Jungle and is no stronger in the Jungle where she should be.

she support because of the amont of damage she can put out with low amounts of ap along with her ability to c lock entire teams on her own

Support PositionNov 27, 20192 votes

No thanks, shes actually overpowered atm in the support role. So unless your gonna make it so she can't buy support items. And have 0 gold generation items. No shes fine.

Boosted JG 4HeadNov 28, 20192 votes

There are very fundamental problems that prevent her from going mid lane. She is HARD CD gated, and she needs a lot of set up with plants to do her stuff. Her CSing is hard, since her AAs are clunky and her plants do not do effective last hitting. Her pushing power is not the best and her fighting style doesn't allow her to teamfight as a midlaner, as she needs set up.

Heimer kinda suffers from the same problem, but he can dish all his damage at once if he can place all 3 towers down at once on top of his R. Zyra can only have 2 plants, which is why she is better suited as a support. She can stay with her team mid lane and set herself up for a siege instead of having to move around to push a side lane as a mid laner.

5050BSNov 28, 20192 votes

So her #1 reason she cant go mid is that her plants HPs and how they take damage.

Before they lived for 3-4 melee attacks. What countered them was DOTs (Morg was a big counter) now Dots are the least threat to Plants and Melee is the most.

This change was what made her unless Mid as a lot of her Safety was the threat of Plants.

Her Plants are now useless compared to what they use to be.

Baby GhoulNov 29, 20192 votes

Yes, and take the other mages with you.

That's high on every support and ADC's wishlist along with fixing broken hook hitboxes.

Zyra has been problematic even before Riot deleted Sightstone and mages became the hot new thing botlane. She's made such an impact bot lane, that people still play MF support randomly with no purpose in solo queue. The history of Zyra in bot lane is nutty.

Obviously she'd need some changes first, but that's not her only problem. The issue is that playing mages bot lane is much better than playing them mid lane currently, so I don't know why you'd want to go there when you can be a brainless mage bot, but I agree nevertheless. Get mages out of bot lane and it would make things so much better.

Hedge WitchNov 26, 20191 votes

I just want a new well done zyra skin. We're approaching 3 years since she's gotten one.

UlyssesISRNov 27, 20191 votes

I'd much rather her have a stronger presence in top lane somehow. Only because I am sick of damn near every champ being a midlaner. We need some variety in this game.

Light of MadnessNov 27, 20191 votes

Put count down on her, if she was alone in idk.. 5 sec ... her plants will heal her on dmg put this passive on her seeds so now she can chooss up this skill if she needs sustain. Now she is better mid (cause the healing won't happen on bot and if she goes away to actiavate she will lose exp) with sustain so maybe will survive, but she needs more because of the stupid assassin 30 dashes meta. Maybe more range so she can be safe idk.

And no, do not put more dmg or more complexity. This is not the way to solve things.

DemesejhaNov 27, 20191 votes

No plz bc then people will realize she's good and she'll get nerfed again.

macspamNov 27, 20191 votes

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she deserves it

But how in particular? She already has high Mana. IMO her mid /late game waveclear should be stronger but other than that she's good as midm

ScarnMichaelScarNov 27, 20191 votes

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she deserves it

she works great in mid too... not sure what youre complaining about. liandry's is all you need for her to become a huge threat.