Graves dash vs Lucians dash

KelseyGamer·Sep 24, 2014·11 votes·1,797 views

I'm curious as to why Graves dash has not had the mana cost removed. Lucians is free, and with his passive also gets two free shots off with it.

14 Comments

12talesSep 24, 201412 votes

There are more interesting ways to buff than homogenizing the abilities of meta and non-meta champs.

I'd rather have Graves with even crazier burst damage and stronger vision denial than a Graves that looks even more like a Lucian wannabe.

Remlap1223Sep 24, 20142 votes

Graves was released first, and yet it's all about Lucian, despite Graves having more range. It just goes to show what Olafing champs does to you. Me, I'd like Graves' crap base attack speed hyperscale and give him a ton more burst damage.

HikkupzSep 24, 20147 votes

Mana problem on Graves's E has never been a problem in game for me. I always have enough 40 mana to use when i need to. The problem is his Q, i think, because 100 mana at lv 5 Q is too much. He dries after a few buckshots. Another reason, why Graves doesn't have his E manaless because he wasn't designed to be a mobile champ like Lucian. Again, that's just my opinion, I love Graves and i play him alot. I really want him to have a few buffs in the future but not in this direction. Graves's another problem is that his passive stacks too slowly and that's why it won't be effective in teamfight because usually teamfights nowadays do not drag that long.

AzlagorSep 24, 20144 votes

well, if u wouldn'T spend mana on E, much more mana would be left for his Q. One way or another, his manacosts are currently to high overall for an abillity-reliant adc

HigeRSep 24, 20143 votes

uhm Graves is not supposed to be extremely mobile as Lucian, when they reworked him, mobility was his desired strength. I assume that Graves dash is not only gated by its long cooldown (which can go down) but by mana as well, removing it would be nice though, most AS steroid have mana costs.

MontiRSep 24, 20144 votes

tristana gets all the goodies

HigeRSep 24, 20141 votes

oh right, they removed its mana cost for her ._. well, talk about a crazy change

Knight SoIaire Sep 24, 20141 votes

but she also got a ticket to rework factory riot said that they wont touch her till the worlds end but they will gut some part of her kit to make it her weakness prolly mobility or self peel (the rest is too iconic )

Knight SoIaire Sep 24, 20142 votes

because they are diferent and graves is kinda outdated soon graves will go op cause other adc's will get nerfed or ie will get nerfed and the buffs that graves gets now to keep him playable will make his skills strongest

HikkupzSep 24, 20141 votes

Oh I think he's already OP. Besides match up against Caitlyn, I'm pretty sure he will do well in all other match-ups

xylotismSep 25, 20141 votes

That would be nice. I like Graves' kit. Every other ADC (and some mid, jungler) is tunneled into "autoattack autoattack autoattack crit crit crit FAST FAST FAST", which is far less interesting than any other role in the game.