I don't understand why people just hate premades for being premades. I see no downside to it. Premades communicate well and vent their anger (most of the time) by talking to each other and not in all-chat (Like many solo players do :^) ). Tell me a good reason for how premades effect your game any worse than a group of solo players.
BTW I'm talking about Draft and Blind pick. NOT RANKED
preternatural7 votesbecause premades
don't actually play the game, they play teamgoals and then your team doesn't reach the in game milestones it needs to reach to win the game.
one lane doesn't get to play the game, so not only is the experience ruined for allied team but also for someone on opposition team.
they need 2+ brains to have 1 brain, absolutely no map awareness or objective awareness unless the duo wake up and realise their team is pinging a good objective or an incoming gank which literally never happens. (if it's not on private comms they don't hear it.)
solo lane/jungle premades that think they're good are just a step beneath cancer on the depth chart.
numbers games, because if 2 people say someone should be reported they should probably be reported.
premades never hold each other accountable no matter how poor or toxic the gameplay.
we should have a solo only queue but rito don't want to lose their duo player base due to them not being able to fill out teams without the missing link, flex it is for you. [sg-lulu]
PonPon I Guess1 votesThese points could be said about any player, solo or premade. The fact they are friends playing together doesn't matter. Solo players also "hold each other accountable no matter how poor or toxic the gameplay".
Btw that is the minority of premades you're talking about if you weren't aware.
Also your point 5 doesn't make any sense. You can't report someone for saying that they're gonna report you.
And "we should have a solo only queue"? face palm
preternatural3 votesThese points could be said about any player, solo or premade. The fact they are friends playing together doesn't matter. Solo players also "hold each other accountable no matter how poor or toxic the gameplay".
Btw that is the minority of premades you're talking about if you weren't aware.
Also your point 5 doesn't make any sense. You can't report someone for saying that they're gonna report you.
And "we should have a solo only queue"? face palm
the problems are frankly exacerbated when we take into account how the game finds balanced matches for premades, put them against a higher skill bracket of player. so whatever is normal at their skill bracket is abnormal at the next skill bracket, this doesn't matter for le diamonde smurfzilla's stomping the lower tiers but it does matter for joe public and friends wanting to climb teh ladder as a duo or flex while solo's also want to climb the ladder. so yeah, fun game. but you aren't actually here for the deets you're here to say duo queue is the bees knees.
a solo only ranked queue would solve too many things quite frankly, i can't even list them. suddenly we have a queue to actually base balance off of because there's no premade variables in the pudding. but i digress that's classified information, at least from a sporting sense the soloq ladder would be honest. the alternative is for rito to enable anon voice comms but they think girls will be getting rape threats in voice chat as if 3 out of 5 people will be horrible enough to let that slide. omg there's even a fucking triad right there for policing social issues. WTF ARE WE DOING WITHOUT ANON VOICE COMMS i don't know, we can't have them though, so really we shouldn't have duoq in the soloq when there's flexq but folks don't wanna hear that because there's some prestige to being able to say they climbed "soloq" when actually they duo'd and the dynamic is completely different. but who am i, just some account on teh league of billbends
also, just for posterity, this applies to all spaces where solo players and duo or otherwise flex players are in the same games. ya'll fucking up the game for us solos and rito know it, and we know it. [sg-poppy]
PonPon I Guess1 votesIf it wasn't obvious enough by putting it in all caps and bold text: --> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT RANKED <---. Jesus christ. I'm talking about how harmless premades are in normal draft and blind pick. And now you're going off topic by talking about voice comms aswell? Wtf are you trying to do?
PonPon I Guess1 votesAlso where is the fact for your "unbalanced matchmaking" argument from. I would like a source for that.
preternatural1 votesAlso where is the fact for your "unbalanced matchmaking" argument from. I would like a source for that.
the source is riot games.
PonPon I Guess1 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
preternatural2 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
like I said, you aren't here for the real details of how the game works you're here to defend duoq. when you duo the game puts you against better opposition or gives you lower ranked teammates, this is how matchmaking works for duo's which is why I never duo because people are never aware of what they're opting into.
this season has been the one to complain about matchmaking, know why? because of the way matchmaking actually and literally works and the abundance of queue buddies who are newgens Post-KDA players. that's another thing the vocal community is too prideful to admit that KDA brought in a bevy of new players.
you wanna know how matchmaking has worked for duo's since it's inception? riot never announced a change to it lol just optimisations to get faster queue times, now silver and bronze premades can get in your gold games and then it's not even a game.
PonPon I Guess1 votesIf the premades have a lower skilled player then the enemies also get a lower skilled player. If there's a really high leveled player on one team then the other will get one aswell. This is very well known to anyone who has played with a friend that is new to the game (which I'm guessing is something you never have). I actualy started playing with a new player not too long ago and the enemies always had that one lower skilled player to even it out.
Also why do you care about ranks in Draft/Blind? People who play normal games only play a few ranked games and then stop since Draft and Blind are a lot more fun and casual to play. Saying someone is bad since they have a low rank is a bad argument that I see all the time. One of my friends literaly goes double digits in kills pretty much every game and he's Silver 1. He just doesn't like ranked but he's still amazing at the game.
preternatural2 votesIf the premades have a lower skilled player then the enemies also get a lower skilled player. If there's a really high leveled player on one team then the other will get one aswell. This is very well known to anyone who has played with a friend that is new to the game (which I'm guessing is something you never have). I actualy started playing with a new player not too long ago and the enemies always had that one lower skilled player to even it out.
Also why do you care about ranks in Draft/Blind? People who play normal games only play a few ranked games and then stop since Draft and Blind are a lot more fun and casual to play. Saying someone is bad since they have a low rank is a bad argument that I see all the time. One of my friends literaly goes double digits in kills pretty much every game and he's Silver 1. He just doesn't like ranked but he's still amazing at the game.
you are assuming that the system is going to find another premade in the same variable mmr brackets for the opposing team. spoiler alert, it doesn't do that unless you're in teh golden hours of peak concurrency. and i mention rank because the whole game is rank even the normal queue or else whatever complaints people have about matchmaking in normals showing evidence of a need to tether mmr in the different queues with each other is all unfounded. when you get one of those weird teams where the ranks are all over the place, you're looking at duo/flex variables, the duo pair could be on your team or opposite team regardless the system has attempted to find a balanced match for you. was the match balanced? probably not either the duo comms didn't matter because of a skillgap or the duo comms didn't matter because of a skillgap, the skillgap is presented by matchmaking, this is why current league is regarded as coinflippy.
PonPon I Guess1 votesThis has nothing to do with premades anymore, now you're just talking about ranked... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
preternatural2 votesThis has nothing to do with premades anymore, now you're just talking about ranked... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
matchmaking* which is heavily affected by what? premades. whhhheeeeey look at that thought chain.
PonPon I Guess1 votesIt's not really but ok?
Lauchmelder2 votesbecause premades
- don't actually play the game, they play teamgoals and then your team doesn't reach the in game milestones it needs to reach to win the game.
That's your opinion, you are entitled to it but I can call it wrong or, at the very least, biased.
- one lane doesn't get to play the game, so not only is the experience ruined for allied team but also for someone on opposition team.
Again, your opinion. A duo botlane has better communication than 2 randoms, but saying that the randoms don't get to play the game is a flat out lie.
- they need 2+ brains to have 1 brain, absolutely no map awareness or objective awareness unless the duo wake up and realise their team is pinging a good objective or an incoming gank which literally never happens. (if it's not on private comms they don't hear it.)
Again, biased opinion, not a fact.
- solo lane/jungle premades that think they're good are just a step beneath cancer on the depth chart.
Anyone who thinks they are good and then fails miserably is delusional, that doesn't just apply to premades.
- numbers games, because if 2 people say someone should be reported they should probably be reported.
Which effectively doesn't do anything because 1 report do as much as 2 reports in one game.
- premades never hold each other accountable no matter how poor or toxic the gameplay.
Oh boy are you wrong. They just don't tell them in ingame chat. They do however defend their premade if someone on the team flames them.
Let's be real: Toxic premades are as much of a problem as toxic solo players. We need neither of those. I usually queue with friends and I dare say that we are pleasant to play with as long as you don't flame anyone. And I'll go to town with you if you flame ANYONE on the team. That goes for my friends as well as the randoms. Just don't be an ass.
preternatural2 votes[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a51FKwmO,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-08-12T10:48:19.620+0000)
That's your opinion, you are entitled to it but I can call it wrong or, at the very least, biased.
Again, your opinion. A duo botlane has better communication than 2 randoms, but saying that the randoms don't get to play the game is a flat out lie.
Again, biased opinion, not a fact.
Anyone who thinks they are good and then fails miserably is delusional, that doesn't just apply to premades.
Which effectively doesn't do anything because 1 report do as much as 2 reports in one game.
Oh boy are you wrong. They just don't tell them in ingame chat. They do however defend their premade if someone on the team flames them.
Let's be real: Toxic premades are as much of a problem as toxic solo players. We need neither of those. I usually queue with friends and I dare say that we are pleasant to play with as long as you don't flame anyone. And I'll go to town with you if you flame ANYONE on the team. That goes for my friends as well as the randoms. Just don't be an ass.
look dude there are plenty of times, and more than enough witnesses on just this board, of premades not being able to play to unique objectives that are generated by the draft and dragons of each game. if you have a premade mid and jgl, but they lose on ganks because the selected champion they're up against just so happens to stomp both of their picks individually, well they aren't going to change their tac and get other lanes ahead, they'll instead ram their heads into the brick wall they're presented with and then it's fun for everyone while the premade wonders why their whole team is calling them out for their bullshit strats which were never accounting for even the draft, yet alone how the game itself played out. this is a key reason why there's a bevy of solo laners who are currently not interested in helping junglers who start top side of the map, because they'll never be back regardless of what happens during the game because they have to play to their premade on bottom irrespective of how that actually works in practice.
duo's exist in more pairs than a bottom lane pair, outside of the bottom lane pairs being historically BAD because of matchmaking adjustments to make games fair when there's a premade involved. you ever wonder why some bottom lane pairs on comms can get so gigastomped by their opposite solo pair? skillgap, thanks to matchmaking, and premades not knowing about it. let's say the kicker/x-factor for the enemy team is not in your lane on bottom lane, well now someone else has to suffer right, what if the x-factor in the matchmaker has been placed in the jungle? there is no game to be played, at least for this season, the pudding arrangement is different for each but the game is honestly just atrocious to play when that seasons strongest or most influential role has been skill gapped because of a premade having to be accounted for in the matchmaking. alternatively the premade deranked so far that their games are now balanced or they got good enough as indivudal players for the games to be balanced or stompy and now there's 3 spectators on a team waiting for the premades to carry but isntances of this are so rare that there's no complaint about it. "wow the premade was actually good this game, it only took 40 games of duff premades to get a good pair"
you can call it biased i have too many games played to be argued about on this. yes i spent a season playing with premades just to see what happened, also made sure to not tell them about obvious enemies in vision spots to see what they would do, to my surprise they would get caught on not seeing the information their own wards were relaying all while relying on someone else to inform them that "hey someone on enemy team just showed on your tribrush ward." also no map awareness but that's already established, if one cannot glance at the map and see that the cavalry is arriving and that they should turn and commit to a fight then what exactly are we doing on the rift? played with a few pre's, if they aren't hearing the call to fight on comms then whoopie there was no call to fight because the map doesn't exist unless someone else says it does etc etc. unfortunately i got skill vamped for my sins and that was my worst season finish to date, so never doing that again, that aside that season was hot garbzz so whatever.
go play some solo top in flex queue it'll click for you. it's the same shit in soloq with premade jgl/top, jgl/mid, mid/support, support/jgl aids that flitters the rift.
unique reports are what trigger the alarm bells at rito hq. and i don't even care to get into this shit man, it's just psychology because humans are these fleshly things and not machines with all the knowledge. tell the enemy team as a tandem that there's some toxic so and so on your team, they'll report that person because numbers matter to the subconscious.
premades never hold each other accountable, never state facts around them. if you state that one of them fed your lane double buffs and it happened then suddenly you're the bad man. doubly so if premade jgl and whoever spent all their time with each other to no avail while the rest of their team got molested by repeat ganks from enemy jungler. and please don't start with the "use wards" spiel when rito have systematically gone out of their way to make it so that wards can't cover every lane entrance at every minute.
Lauchmelder2 votes
- look dude there are plenty of times, and more than enough witnesses on just this board, of premades not being able to play to unique objectives that are generated by the draft and dragons of each game. if you have a premade mid and jgl, but they lose on ganks because the selected champion they're up against just so happens to stomp both of their picks individually, well they aren't going to change their tac and get other lanes ahead, they'll instead ram their heads into the brick wall they're presented with and then it's fun for everyone while the premade wonders why their whole team is calling them out for their bullshit strats which were never accounting for even the draft, yet alone how the game itself played out. this is a key reason why there's a bevy of solo laners who are currently not interested in helping junglers who start top side of the map, because they'll never be back regardless of what happens during the game because they have to play to their premade on bottom irrespective of how that actually works in practice.
This also happens with solo players and is a personal problem, not a problem with premades. Also, junglers aren't ganking toplaners because helping toplane is worthless compared to helping botlane. A doublekill + dragon botlane helps the team way more than a single kill + herald. Now the toplaner can refuse to leash if he thinks that is reason enough and I won't argue with that. But again: This is NOT a problem with premades.
- duo's exist in more pairs than a bottom lane pair, outside of the bottom lane pairs being historically BAD because of matchmaking adjustments to make games fair when there's a premade involved. you ever wonder why some bottom lane pairs on comms can get so gigastomped by their opposite solo pair? skillgap, thanks to matchmaking, and premades not knowing about it. let's say the kicker/x-factor for the enemy team is not in your lane on bottom lane, well now someone else has to suffer right, what if the x-factor in the matchmaker has been placed in the jungle? there is no game to be played, at least for this season, the pudding arrangement is different for each but the game is honestly just atrocious to play when that seasons strongest or most influential role has been skill gapped because of a premade having to be accounted for in the matchmaking. alternatively the premade deranked so far that their games are now balanced or they got good enough as indivudal players for the games to be balanced or stompy and now there's 3 spectators on a team waiting for the premades to carry but isntances of this are so rare that there's no complaint about it. "wow the premade was actually good this game, it only took 40 games of duff premades to get a good pair"
Nobody has to suffer, no matter how often you tell yourself that. Matchmaking adjusts itself in a way that the game is balanced enough to happen.
- you can call it biased i have too many games played to be argued about on this. yes i spent a season playing with premades just to see what happened, also made sure to not tell them about obvious enemies in vision spots to see what they would do, to my surprise they would get caught on not seeing the information their own wards were relaying all while relying on someone else to inform them that "hey someone on enemy team just showed on your tribrush ward."
Which shows that in your blatant hate against premades you'd rather harm your own team than go for the win. Congratz, you played yourself.
also no map awareness but that's already established, if one cannot glance at the map and see that the cavalry is arriving and that they should turn and commit to a fight then what exactly are we doing on the rift? played with a few pre's, if they aren't hearing the call to fight on comms then whoopie there was no call to fight because the map doesn't exist unless someone else says it does etc etc. unfortunately i got skill vamped for my sins and that was my worst season finish to date, so never doing that again, that aside that season was hot garbzz so whatever.
And again, this isn't a problem that only exists in premades.
- go play some solo top in flex queue it'll click for you. it's the same shit in soloq with premade jgl/top, jgl/mid, mid/support, support/jgl aids that flitters the rift.
I play solo top in every ranked game. Guess what: Neither do I complain about premades, nor do I demand ganks. I'm not an entitled snowflake who goes crying to mommy Riot that someone didn't gank my lane. If I don't get ganks I won't feed and make myself carryable. It's that easy.
- unique reports are what trigger the alarm bells at rito hq. and i don't even care to get into this shit man, it's just psychology because humans are these fleshly things and not machines with all the knowledge. tell the enemy team as a tandem that there's some toxic so and so on your team, they'll report that person because numbers matter to the subconscious.
It doesn't matter if someone gets reported once or 4 times in a single game. The game gets flagged either way, and just because someone got reported 4 times doesn't make it 4 times as likely to be reviewed compared to a single report.
- premades never hold each other accountable, never state facts around them. if you state that one of them fed your lane double buffs and it happened then suddenly you're the bad man.
Well guess the reaction of most people, premade or not, if you come up with this inflamatory bullshit. "Well thanks Cpt. Obvious, I didn't know that myself." You're asking for a reaction at this point.
doubly so if premade jgl and whoever spent all their time with each other to no avail while the rest of their team got molested by repeat ganks from enemy jungler.
Oh yes, because playing save once you notice this happening isn't an option right?
Seriously, the anti-premade circlejerk on the boards is unwarranted crybaby bullshit. You can complain about premades communicating too little ingame, you can complain them doing some other minor things. You CAN'T blame premades for shit soloplayers do as well, and half of your fucking point IS doing that. Well guess what: I won't have it. Arguments doing that ain't valid arguments.
PonPon I Guess1 votesBtw most of the time when I see premades gank each other they win pretty much every gank since they plan the gank and comunicate both before and during it. I'm sure the same happens to you it's just that you don't remember it since you're better at remembering bad plays than good plays.
You're also talking about how importaint the jungler is. If you're nothing without a jungler then you shouldn't have it (RIP Iron-man). You're saying that if there isn't a good player carrying your team then it's not worth playing? The jungler doesn't make or break the game, they can assist you if the opportunity arrives aswell as taking objectives. It's even better to have the worst player as the jungler since they don't have a laner to constantly give kills to. No one is dumb enough to just dive random lanes as suicide-missions. If they make really bad ganks then just tell them to stop. It's that simple.
So because your friends were bad at the game and you didn't help them, that means that premades are just overall trash? [zombie-brand-mindblown] How would their map-awareness be any different just because they play with other people in the same party? Playing alone doesn't exactly improve it so I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
I won't bother explaining since it won't change your opinion.
"Unique reports are what trigger the alarm" That is so wrong. Repeated reports from multiple games over time are what will result in actions taken towards the player.
Of course premades hold each other accountable. They talk shit about each other all the time in their voice-calls, it's just that you don't see it.
Also why should you be able to cover every entrance at every minute? What is the Jungler gonna do if the enemy can always so them ganking? Either improve your warding stratergy or play defensive when there are no wards to show you where the jungler is. Same goes for everyone else dying to the jungler over and over again, both premades and solo-players.
PonPon I Guess1 votesThe number f:ed up for some reason. It's supposed to be: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.
miRacoon1 votesbecause premades
don't actually play the game, they play teamgoals and then your team doesn't reach the in game milestones it needs to reach to win the game.
one lane doesn't get to play the game, so not only is the experience ruined for allied team but also for someone on opposition team.
they need 2+ brains to have 1 brain, absolutely no map awareness or objective awareness unless the duo wake up and realise their team is pinging a good objective or an incoming gank which literally never happens. (if it's not on private comms they don't hear it.)
solo lane/jungle premades that think they're good are just a step beneath cancer on the depth chart.
numbers games, because if 2 people say someone should be reported they should probably be reported.
premades never hold each other accountable no matter how poor or toxic the gameplay.
we should have a solo only queue but rito don't want to lose their duo player base due to them not being able to fill out teams without the missing link, flex it is for you. [sg-lulu]
This guy gets it, especially 4
Tuition Fee6 votesWe don't hate premades, we hate rude premades who are blind to their party members' mistakes and blame everything on the solo queue people.
PonPon I Guess1 votesThey are not blind to eachother's mistakes, it's just that you don't see it happening. We insult each other all the time for every mistake, it's just that it's not happening in the ingame chat.
Metal Janna5 votesThey most definitely don't vent their anger internally. They blame anyone who isn't in the premade and group flame them.
PonPon I Guess1 votesOf course they blame each other, it's just that you don't see it since they do it in their Discord/skype call.
Jimmy Rustles4 votesThey usually are worse than 4 randoms
PonPon I Guess1 votesHow?
R0ses R Red2 votesPremades are legit cancer half of the time. League has a problem with toxicity, and premades crank it up a notch because it nets your team another douche. If you aren't a toxic shit, odds are you won't duo with one, so when one of the two is toxic it's a safe bet that the other is too. The reverse is also true though chill league players are relatively rare.
Beyond that, premades are generally annoying to deal with due to how they constantly give off this impression of an "us vs them" mentality even in their own team. I've literally never seen a duo fault their partner, it's **always **someone else that'll have to put up with their finger pointing. Always trying to get their duo into their main role. Often neglecting other allies in favor of assisting their duo. Always trying to take the driver's wheel. I've met some really cool and chill duos, but I generally hate dealing with them. Bonus points if one is a jungler.
PonPon I Guess1 votesFirst of all. You're saying "premades are legit cancer" followed by "League has a problem with toxicity". I have never seen a worse way of following up your first statement ever. I won't even bother explaining the rest if that's how you're gonna start your argument.
And if you don't like the way people force their way into the role they want, then play draft, then it tells you what lane everyone has to go.
R0ses R Red2 votesI wasn't referring to blind pick. Like I said, premades like to take the driver's wheel and are willing to pressure players for their roles even in ranked. They need to be told no multiple times when they ask for their main role. You don't have to like the impression I get from premades, it's just an honest answer to how I see them.
PonPon I Guess1 votesRanked have nothing to do with this and the same thing happens all the time with solo players. Some people are just too dumb to understand that they have to play the role they've been given.
Revert Evelynn2 votesBecause you only ever listen to each other and most of the time fucking suck.
PonPon I Guess2 votesPremades listen to what the team has to say and makes their opinion through discussing it in their skype/discord. Also if you think they always suck than that says more about the skill-level you're matched with than the fact that they're premades.
Revert Evelynn2 votesNotice how i said most of the time. I didnt say always. Its funny how you read one thing but somehow perceived something else. No doubt an SJW of some kind.
PonPon I Guess2 votesSo you're saying because I wrote one word slightly wrong then the whole argument is invalid? Yeah no I'm guessing you're the problem of the team since you instantly chose to insult me when I proved you wrong :)
Revert Evelynn1 votes[deleted]
PonPon I Guess1 votesI proved you wrong by exlpaining that your statement about premades only listening to each other is incorrect because most of the time they talk on other platforms that isn't the ingame chat leading to you not seeing that conversation happen. The only thing you had to say in response was that I wrote "always" instead of "most of the time". There was no counter argument which I viewed as you understanding that you were wrong but still wanted to prove me wrong. I can see now that you didn't mean it like that but I hope you understand my point of view of this situation.
Also you should calm down with the "insults". Your anger isn't helping you here nor in game. Try working on that :)