Towers are fucking useless. Master rank gameplay.

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Am i supossed to be impressed? You have 4.7k life with like 65% damage reduction 2 shields which you use multiple times and a soraka healer.

Should the towers of 3 shot you?

Nothing should be able to tank more than 5 tower shots ever.

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Am i supossed to be impressed? You have 4.7k life with like 65% damage reduction 2 shields which you use multiple times and a soraka healer.

Should the towers of 3 shot you?

He took 51 turret shots in this video.

FIFTY-ONE

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Am i supossed to be impressed? You have 4.7k life with like 65% damage reduction 2 shields which you use multiple times and a soraka healer.

Should the towers of 3 shot you?

Think you're missing the point, he has locket ( 30 armor ) and a cloth armor ( 15 armor ) yet is able to tank all that. Thats pretty disgusting

He has only like one armor item. And most armor items are cheap and you can buy more than one. In no freaking world tank should be able to tank so many shots with one armor item. what seems to be a problem is also not the armor but hp as well. In this game HP is so freaking cheap that even when you rush some random hp item on assassin or mid lane mage you automatically win the trades and all ins because nobody has enough damage to take away all hp. And additionally tanks are even worse than that because for some reason in this game tanks can kill squishies in one abilities rotation. And that makes it bullsht. Im really done trying to kite the tank around my tower but he has so much cc that even if I do it perfectly and sttuter step between abilities and autos like a God challenger player he still gets me and runs away with more than half hp after exploding me. Tanks do not fulfill the role they were designed to.

Mate, no matter what you say, NEXUS TOWERS IN PARTICULAR, Should be DEADLY. Other towers can be garbage but the ones GUARDING THE MAIN OBJECTIVE of the game should not be made of bendy straws. After like 5 shots, it should switch to a true dmg beam with healing reduction and infinite scaling dmg. This BS of tank 2 nexus towers is garbage. In fact, champions hit by towers should have 100% healing reduction. Fck I'm getting so pissed. I play Sion so I do this BS and it hurts cos it literally takes 0 skills. Just stack hp and not that much armor. Fcking disgusting.

Even so, 51 is such a ridiculously high number for such little resources put into it.

This, and look how far ahead he is, plenty of stacks, 5/0/11, 2+ levels up on everyone. Not to mention Soraka spamming heals on him.

% health damage is obviously targeting tanks, and not others. for that reason, it is a bad idea. I do agree that 30 sec under a turret, or under both nexus turrets, is far too long. here are some suggestions that may be better than % health damage:

• remove the cap on ramping turret damage. this way damage will continue to ramp up until you EVENTUALLY die.
• Increase attack speed and hp regen on nexus towers to match Twisted Tree Line Nexus Turret (this is close to double attack speed, an much higher than that in regen)
• Re-introduce Tower-shields. I never really liked the tower-lazers, but the shield seemed to let towers become really really effective at defense. If inner towers, inhibitor towers, and nexus towers all had that shield, it would help defense a great deal. (Also, it never made sense that with each tier of towers closer to nexus they would lose their old benefits and gain new ones. the benefits should stack, rather than being replaced.)
• re-introduce tools like Garrison and Fortify, to make towers stronger when needed.
• basic hp and base damage buff for towers. something like 5% increase. maybe more maybe less.

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I love how so many people in these comments are missing the point. Sion being Tanky which by all means he is not aside from health and shields. the dude has like 2 and 1/4 of armor in items isn't the issue here.

The issue is that by 51 shots and over 30 seconds under 2 NEXUS TOWERS (what should be the last defense and the most powerful towers) the damage did not keep ramping up to the point that he should not have been there. By that amount of time and shots, he should have been dead or at least running away from the towers as they were going to kill him.

Towers don't need to 3 shot tanks but they do need to at least be able to ramp up enough to deal the damage necessary to make them not sit under a tower for 30 seconds. Make them deal % health damage or something because at least then they can properly scale up instead of just letting people do whatever under them.

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People are looking at towers in a vacuum. Saying "Well look at your team healing and shielding you" is nonsense. This is the current state of the game. Yea, they healed him, yea, he shielded, but if towers were up to par this wouldn't be allowed. No one is saying heals and shields shouldn't help, but to be tanky against fortifications to this degree is absurd. This is regular gameplay, those people aren't specced into specifically negating towers, he's not stacking armor. This is not an outlier example. This shouldn't happen, period.

The amount of stupidity in this thread is disheartening. At least these 2 people got it dead right.

Doesn't matter if he was getting healed, or shielded. Lets also put into context that this is master level game-play. Yet even then the towers become even more useless than in low skill level.

WHat is the enemy team supposed to do to come back against this? What are their options to winning if they can't team up under a tower, and use it as added damage/crutch? What are they supposed to do if they can't win a team fight? Split pushing is no longer an option when the enemy team can just run down mid with no fucks given WITHOUT their minions and still take towers with no care in the world.

the enemy team literally has no options.

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I love how so many people in these comments are missing the point. Sion being Tanky which by all means he is not aside from health and shields. the dude has like 2 and 1/4 of armor in items isn't the issue here.

We aren't missing the point, the point is wrong. For Starters he has a Warmogs, Cinderhulk, Righteous and locket. That's over 10k Gold in tank items. Then he has a self shield, an active shield, scaling HP per minion kill with 161 CS, Soraka Heals, Aeri Shields, redemption and tank runes. That's an insane amount of tankyness at 25mins...

I don't know why they changed it in the first place

No really, I didn't read the patch notes. I guess they changed it for farming?

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anyone trying to defend that is oblivious to the whole point of towers.

Not really. Towers protect vs minions and early game dives. Mid-late game (like this clip) you’re supposed to defend them.

False dichotomy if I ever saw one.

Nobody's asking for tanks to be flattened or squishies to be annihilated.

Being able to tank 51 shots is clearly idiotic. And there's an argument to be made that nexus turrets should be rather painful.

All it would take is adding percent damage to tower shots.

It could activate after the 3rd consecutive hit, or it could scale up with each it. But some sort of mechanic wherein a tank is initially able to weather multiple shots as they are supposed to, without leaving the tower completely irrelevant.