IS PYKE BALANCED?

Error0x43690000··6 votes·1,952 views

When I first encountered a Pyke on the enemy side that got tons of kills, I thought he might just be a good player. However, when I bought this champ and used it for the first time, I found out this champ is really braindead. He is like a combination of everything. He is able to heal and sustain in lane, being invisible, hook. He got gap closer, cc and the ability to execute enemy champs and clean up a fight with his ultimate refresh and he is able to give his teammate golds. Although I missed almost every hook and my e, I was able to kill everybody in a fight just by using his ultimate. Playing Pyke, I could make a lot of mistakes and safely get out of many bad situations using his W. He is having too much impact of the game in low elo.

Pyke has always been the issue in the game and he definitely deserves nerfs:

  1. His ultimate should be having less base damage and the damage based on lethality.
  2. His ultimate should not be refreshed after killing or assist.
  3. The stun by his E should not be scaling by lethality.
  4. His W should not be buffing his speed.
  5. His Q should not be slowing.
  6. His Q should be shorter.
  7. His Q should not be refunding mana costs when cancelled.
  8. His Q should be costing more mana.
  9. He should not be able to heal after taking damage.

14 Comments

MiracleMorg946 votes

I agree 100%. He's not a real support and the bot lane never needed an assassin there. His creator should have never made him in the first place.

xDogMeatx3 votes

So pretty much make him a useless assassin champ. That has a nerfed version of thresh hook then a 1 time ult not worth using/leveling at all great. His e with lethality was both nerf/buff so i have mixed feelings on that. Taking away healing... Pretty much says he cant exist in the game at all. Not to mention lowered q range why bother picking him if your gonna put all these things against him. I rather play lethality thresh at that point at least he will be a better version of pyke thats what your saying so far i see.

Boatwhistle1 votes

Pyke would still be a better assassin then thresh with those changes because he actually would have more then one AD scaling and those scalings would actually benefit from lethality cause they do physical damage. Why the hell would you play lethality thresh compared to anything else at all?

xDogMeatx1 votes

Its a good example as on thresh has lockdown so its a upgraded pyke Q basically pyke cant heal thresh gets free armor here. Threshes W just generates a small shield/grab on dash pyke only has invisiblity no healing. E thresh can amp his autos based on rank scaling scales up to 200% max rank which is a magic crit since it does magic damage. It also displaces if you use its active. VWhile pyke dashes/stuns targets 1.1 without lethality. Now ults if pyke nerfs he can only use it once and less base damage which you question why even level it at all if you only get one weak ult possibly execute that has no damage. Thresh has a ult that damages 100% ap high base damage (continues to climb while ranking) on 1st gate destroyed while other gates can still slow afterwards i see a reason to upgrade it. I bet you a lethality thresh would win vs the nerfed pyke suggestions in pretty much every field possible makes thresh a better assassin than him if hes gutted like OP suggests. Put hail of blades on thresh or eletrocute for that burst. Lets not forget thresh is ranged therefore can abuse pykes melee nature through Q E kiting. Thats how bad these nerfs OP suggesting. So bad thresh can assassin so much harder than pyke if he was nerfed like this.

ContDeCaterinca12 votes

Had a game as Karma support vs Pyke and if you can believe, he missed every single hook for the first 5 mins(and he was spamming them) and I hit a lots of poke, most of my Q's went right on him and the ADC. First good engage he got, instant double kill and all my effort was for nothing.

That guy was so bad at Pyke, just so bad, failing everything and he still got a bunch of kills.

https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2132629758/1975382116094848?tab=overview

His auto-tap Q-auto combo does half your health bar with a little bit of lethality and it takes 0 skill, factor in some damage from the ADC, then he dunks you for free. So much that you can do against it.

The thigh guy2 votes

This champion was litteraly only made for the Winey ass midlaners who “don’t have” any support champions, and get autofilled.

hrooza dota 1 votes

if you guys excuse of the champion being brain dead is you doing well on him on first time.

then they should nerf blitz do to how freaking easy to play blitz, or morgana or whatever support you think off .

pyke hook is the hardest hook to hit due to the fact it scream (guys i will hook) with the channel time compare to blitz who is insta and thresh who have bull shit range, his W is just a fine roaming/escaping ability and thats assuming the enemy dont have any CC to hold you after you E in, his E have a long deley so it should be good compare to other stuns, his ulti look op when you look at the pros, but its weaker when you look at the cons of being slow casting.

you guys just want to gut him because he is the ONLY support who is meant take kills from his carries and is the first melee support that you cant poke to oblivion.

also every single nerf in this op ask for him to be gutted completely,at best pyke only deserve a slight nerf aka some number changes not complete removal. (number 9 is asking to completely remove his passive and limit him with a passive that change stat without any real upside at all)

Boatwhistle1 votes

Thresh and pyke have the same range and thresh's wind up screams "I am about to hook" so hard its a whole thing with him doing mind games with it to the point its can almost be considered a mechanic. Thresh also doesn't have anything to make his hook easier. no mobility, stun, or invis… its the only way he goes in if he cant walk up to get something. Lastly don't gloss over the fact that pykes warning comes before you decide which way to hook with him while thresh's warning happens after* he has decided which way it will go. All pyke needs to do is get in range, line up the shot and fire, while thresh needs to look into the future factoring players mannerisms everytime he throws one more then 500 units.

Typical assassin players always needing to believe those champ's to be so much harder then they are. Not saying you are but this seems to have become a thing which baffles me since I have played a decent number on both and simply cannot disagree more.

hrooza dota 1 votes

thresh wind up is way faster then pyke channel, and thresh have advantage in his kit that covor a lot more then pyke (helping his hook) kit does, he have one of the best disengage tools on W and E have to many uses its not even funny (canceling dashs is one btw) his hook is also a long stun on its own. also pyke normally start with hook, if you use W first enemy know you are invis and you lose your first escape if you engage (and you are not tanky as most melee supports) and his stun/mobility have a deley so unless you do epic flash play or hit a hook before hand you wont really hit it offensively and you cant use it to help hit hooks. also pyke can be stuned/hooked when he channel Q so you cant just (get in range) and start channeling unless you rethink what the enemies can and cant do to you. thresh on the other hand can walk up and not even cast the ability and they have to back off.

idk why you talk about typical assassin players when you clearly see i only played pyke as the only assassin (i infact only own pyke and kata as assassins), im a support main i play a fair amount of thresh/leona/nami/blitz ect ect already and started to pick pyke as will and as i said at best pyke could get a normal numbers nerfs if any not complete removals like the op say.

also thresh need numbers nerfs but i saw that they are planing to do so so ya thats that.

Dasdi961 votes

He is a champion riot literally designed for people who were autofilled from mid and as thus impossible to balance.

Accursêd1 votes

Pyke is loved by Thanos

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

He has his strong and weak matchup botlane. Any burst support with insta CC does well against him. What he counts on is being able to go in, assassinate and go out, with aftershock proc giving him the defense he needs to survive with his meager health. Someone like Annie who can 100-0 in one rotation and can prevent him from running away makes his laning phase a living hell. Cockblock champs like Zilean also does decently well against him as he relies on kills to reset his ult, but Zilean's ult can deny his reset, coupled along with point click 99% slow makes his escape that much harder.

Le me cure U1 votes

Stop crying about pyke you iron 4 players. Pyke and thresh need skills and skilled people abuse them to get ahead, meanwhile you soraka and janna players just spam heals and shields and wait for late game so people carry you. Thank u, next*[sg-ahri-3]*

Reaper Soraka1 votes

Porofessor calls me a Pyke Stomper.

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