Runes reforged cancer

What Is Ranked·Nov 9, 2017·59 votes·3,756 views

Runes reforged is snowballing cancer,

Maokai broken Yasuo broken again Nasus broken ADC broken Rakan broken discuss.

46 Comments

SwiftKitten88Nov 9, 201716 votes

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ADC broken

and this is new... how?

HawkefireNov 9, 20175 votes

It isn't new, and that is the problem.

AirKingNeoNov 9, 20172 votes

Riot never listened for the past 6 months. Now, instead of fixing the game, mages get another item rework while bruisers are quite intentionally ignored.

Who's betting on the game breaking any further.

SalronNov 9, 20178 votes

Explain how Yasuo didn't get worse

PoskeNov 9, 20173 votes

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Explain how Yasuo didn't get worse

Fervor got removed

He did get worse

Yasuo was nerfed back when They overbuffed fervor. the new keystone which makes twitch/jinx broken more then anything doesnt fit yasuo well since he swaps targets

PoskeNov 9, 20172 votes

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Fervor got removed

He did get worse

Yasuo was nerfed back when They overbuffed fervor. the new keystone which makes twitch/jinx broken more then anything doesnt fit yasuo well since he swaps targets

Also he can no longer have a stronger shield since he doesnt cast it (He used to abuse the old mastery in the right tree

Not to mention 30% attackspeed rush is gone. Also lifesteal quints are gone which makes yasuo adcarry bad

nm1010Nov 9, 20178 votes

Press the attack Yasuo

25% attack speed at level 1
Bonus trading damage + increases the damage the target takes. It might be worse in an all in (I doubt it) but it is really strong for laning
Excess healing shield for even more lane sustain
More base ad, health, and armor
He has the option to spec into more lifesteal if he so wishes

AND on top of all of that he has easy access to fricken lethality now, as if we needed a Yasuo better at killing squishies

6KNI6HT6Nov 9, 20178 votes

Ghostcrawler Cancer!

F14Flier7Nov 9, 20176 votes

It's so true... I used to play WoW and he ruined it, so I came to League... I wonder what game he can find me in next...

Big Black CrocNov 9, 20178 votes

Runes can reforge cancer? Damn.

DaimaoNov 9, 20174 votes

Through mutagenesis all things are possible.

TheFallenShawNov 9, 20176 votes

Ezreal Q can proc the kel.... gold giving keystone = about 5min off late game build

Heimerdinger is currently overpowered and shits on top laners like no tomarrow. Why? a rune... not keystone rune. Celerity. Basically its his passive....

Heimerdinger gains 20% bonus movement speed while near allied turrets or his H-28G Evolution Turret H-28Q Apex Turret own.

combo'd with rune

PASSIVE: Gain 4% Movement speed icon bonus movement speed. Additionally, you gain bonus Ability Power or Attack Damage (Adaptive) equal to 8% of your bonus movement speed. ADAPTIVE: Grants bonuses based on which stat you already have the most bonuses for. Defaults to the first listed.

24% MS lv one 8% of that goes into his AP

Now thats not enough on its own but if you were per say take summoner 6 and rush t2 boots and item 3113

that amps you up to 29%ms plus the boots god for bid you do something crazy like get mobi's and Relentless Hunter For a W that'll hit like the new thunderlords if you didnt take it.

TeCoolMageNov 9, 20176 votes

It scales up to 8% based on level. You don't gain 8% at level 1.
You need 500 BONUS (825 minimum total) MS for it to be over Absolute Focus. If you're looking for some sort of initial burst (i.e. you kill them before they do damage) just go absolute focus. No need to sacrifice sorc for mobis. No losing relentless hunter and mobis when entering combat. No need to take ghost over TP and only have it once every two minutes after waiting for the speed to ramp up.

Sewer SideNov 9, 20175 votes

Love how this is downvoted. Patch is live for one day on NA and everyone thinks they're a master theorycrafter.

TheFallenShawNov 10, 20171 votes

reporting for anti constructive crit, basically you sir think its ok to insult others. I find people like you tobe the sole reason for the toxic state of the game.

Sewer SideNov 11, 20172 votes

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reporting for anti constructive crit, basically you sir think its ok to insult others. I find people like you tobe the sole reason for the toxic state of the game.

Likewise

TheFallenShawNov 10, 20171 votes

Didn't take mobi's and never said you needed 500 bonus MS. Absolute focus is a rather lack luster rune at best. Even donger can be poked below 70% hp then it becomes useless.

However the other rune gives bonus MS and AP to him always. MS that helps him poke and trade because he can engage and disengage much faster and harder than before.

TeCoolMageNov 11, 20171 votes

Didn't take mobi's

hmmm

that amps you up to 29%ms plus the boots god for bid you do something crazy like get mobi's and Relentless Hunter For a W that'll hit like the new thunderlords if you didnt take it.

ok I'll take your word for it

never said you needed 500 bonus MS

no, I said you needed 500 bonus MS. And you do. It's a fact.

Even donger can be poked below 70% hp then it becomes useless.

I'd rather have 40 AP on my first Q then have 4 AP on my entire combo.

TheFallenShawNov 11, 20171 votes

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hmmm

ok I'll take your word for it

no, I said you needed 500 bonus MS. And you do. It's a fact.

I'd rather have 40 AP on my first Q then have 4 AP on my entire combo.

I said god forbid you take mobi's never that I did, but it would produce early game power spike.

oh and on your 40ap first Q, you don't understand the Rune so quit arguing. You don't get 40ap at level 1. It ramps upto 40ap based on level. so level 1 you might have 8 ap on your first Q. By the time 40ap kicks in its mid to late game. Where your ability to engage quick and get the hell back is alot more important when 2 or 3 come for you. Which in case is where the Cel rune becomes alot more useful because of its MS boost. Its the the way the build comes together in progression that makes it so oppressive. Not the AP. Takeing relentless hunter keeps boosting flat MS out of combat, with takes a moment to get when they try and come at you. So you need the Cel's boost to get out of combat in the first place. You only have 1 E and enough ap to burst 1 champ. So if 2 or 3 come you gotta take your kill and get out alive. But by all means please take the runes you want since your such a lcs pro at the game. Fact is Cel under sorcery is greater than Ampted on any champ that isn't like talon ect... If they can't delete you instantly.

TeCoolMageNov 11, 20171 votes

I'm comparing level 18 absolute focus with level 18 celerity. At level 18 it's like 4-10 AP at most. Assuming the entire time you're near a turret since a responsible heimer always has some nearby

Late game: 340+45 from sorc = 385 Next up out of combat speed, 56 at max. 441 MS.

Celerity Next up, the % bonuses, 29% if you have heimer passive plus 4% from runes. 568.89. 496.65 in combat. That is 228.89 bonus MS out of combat, 156.65 in combat. 8% of that is 18.3112 AP out of combat, 12.532 AP in combat.

Versus...

Absolute focus 40 AP straight up until a few seconds in an engage, unless you play stupidly or you're against a poke mage/varus, which isn't every game. Hide behind your turrets. Q from a distance. Dodge skillshots. 551.25 out of combat, 481.25 in combat.

So that is 17 MS or 15 MS vs 12 or 18 AP. And this assuming we take relentless hunter instead of something like eyeball collection.

Early game: practically no AP (less than 1%), and in client it says (based on level) at the very end and isn't clear whether it means the 4% is also based on level, or if it's only the 8% AP (assuming only the 8%)

438.6 MS near turrets with 29% boost

425 MS with 25% boost, plus 2 AP level 1

So in this case it's 13.6 MS vs 2 AP, starting to be more worth

And in pretty much any case except vs early game because the AP hasn't scaled up yet (or maybe it is better early game too because the 4% is also scaling by level), the AP is worth more than the MS because MS is for people who don't ward, are approx Cassiopeia range/shorter or make bad plays.

Maybe it would be better if heim roamed a lot early game (not likely in top lane), or vs a jungler who can bypass ward spots with mobility, but no way is it comparable to a keystone, 'OP' and making heimer broken, or much much better than absolute focus.

SnowplosionNov 9, 20175 votes

I knew this would break the game. I wonder how long it will take to fix it though.

OnanThaManNov 9, 20173 votes

If they even try to fix it. This might be what they want.

SnowplosionNov 9, 20173 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] Im in for a show then

Yordle XayahNov 9, 20173 votes

If everything's broken, then suddenly nothing is broken cause everything's broken

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ArakadiaNov 9, 20173 votes

This sure is a well thought out, constructive post that isn't hopping on the hate band wagon!

Raven RedeemedNov 9, 20173 votes

I've only played a few games so far but, as a Rakan main, he seems more difficult to play now than before. I think it is due to the fact that you have to chose between 0 AP and some health and armor or 25 AP and no health or armor. Not to mention with the lose of the old masteries you can't reduce the flash cd (without giving up too much), you can't regen health as fast in lane, and you can't trade as freely without CoC.

FourVsFiveNov 9, 20172 votes

so will they go about it by rebalancing champs or runes?

GayFluffyUnicornNov 9, 20172 votes

They will nerf every champ not called adcs. If adcs abuse runes champs has been nerfed for the runes get changed to fit adcs only and the nerfed champs are left in the gutter. Basically business as usual.

737706Nov 9, 20172 votes

Care to explain how ADC's are broken?

Sewer SideNov 9, 20172 votes

Press The Attack is a bit bonkers on Cait and Trist from my experience. Too much burst and completely outpaces most Lethal Tempo users (read: ADCs that aren't Varus).

Then add the fact ADCs lost the least out of all classes (we got more attack speed just from choosing Precision alone compared to old runes + some base AD adjustments) and then MORE attack speed through Legend rune, you only need like zeal item to almost match the old 2 zeal build.

I'm an ADC main, I don't think they're that overbearing but most other classes lost so much while ADs kept and received many new tools. Overall a significant net damage and DPS increase

TheFallenShawNov 10, 20171 votes

I actually believe lethal tempo on Cait is better as it syngerizes with her passive for head shots.

Sewer SideNov 11, 20171 votes

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I actually believe lethal tempo on Cait is better as it syngerizes with her passive for head shots.

In Theory, sure.

In practice, you get blown up by other PtA users before Tempo even goes off. I tried with Jinx and failed miserably, Caitlyn acts a psuedo-caster til late game

GnarrkTheHunterNov 15, 20171 votes

still pop like a zit though, the extra attack speed boost takes a few seconds to proc, long enough for the predator/relentless hunter anything to destroy you cause no one knows how to support anymore.

AirKingNeoNov 9, 20171 votes

Aside from ADCs already being broken and never nerfed before this...

Press the Attack and Lethal Tempo are absolutely broken.

nGioNov 9, 20172 votes

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