Why is Liandrys/Rylais good on Brand?

bgnation··2 votes·5,399 views

Do people just get item 3151 item 3116 on Brand because they saw it in a guide? I feel that the damage and movement from item 3285 item 3100 is way better. item 3151 seems like a silly item unless you're Teemo Elise Sejuani . In fact, you don't see Katarina getting item 3136 any more. item 3116 seems like a bad item in general. Now I get item 3285 on Fiddlesticks instead because the movement speed combined with item 3708 item 3258 is just too nice. But I digress, why is item 3151 item 3116 good on Brand ?

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Cindikle4 votes

item 3151 Works great on his passive. He's generally about the teamfighting so spreading your fire will bring you a lot of damage with this and his passive. His AP ratio's are not that amazing to make his burst from flat AP too great. Although it's doable. item 3116 Synergies with Liandry's. But is not required. It helps with kiting and survaiblity. Since he's immobile both of those are great for him. But if your team has enough CC for Liandry's to be getting it's double damage often enough this is skippable. item 3285 Is strong in general and is getting nerfed. For Brand who has low ratio's it is nice to have on him. Even more so that I do believe his passive can proc it. So you can possibly get two procs out of a combo on him. item 3100 I don't think I'd ever get this on Brand. Being immobile, you really don't want to be going in for AA's.

Far as fiddle and kat goes. You should almost never be getting Liandry's and Rylas on them. Fiddle is a maybe on Rylia's as it an help him, but it often has to Hourglass soon after ulting. The fact that you don't see people building them anymore is either you're getting to a higher MMR or are lucking out. Or did Riot update their recommended items finally?

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

i would not call his ratios bad but indeed he is a champ with sick base damages

Cindikle1 votes

Q - 65% W - 60% E - 55% R - 50%(situational higher).

That's quite low compared to most mages.

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

his r can do 1050(150apratio) alone. thats more then kassadins entire combo so no your wrong

Cindikle1 votes

I said situationally higher. Getting 3 hits on the same champion isn't something you should expect. Two is a maybe.

Kass is a different beast. He also gains damage based on mana for his ulti. So you're missing some of his scalings. Q - 70% W - 10%+60% E - 70% R - although not worth much it's roughly 30%.

That puts his full combo at ~2.4AP. Give or take his stacks on R and his mana vs ap. If he has 2500mana he gets 150 damage. That's 30% if he has 500ap.

Catastrop3 votes

item 3151 synergizes with his passive. item 3116 gives a slow, which makes comboing his abilities much better. item 3285 is perfectly viable on Brand tbh but item 3100 on Brand just seems strange.

FarRockBF1 votes

its amazing on brand probably better than anyone ('cept Teemo) since his spells BURN over time.

DanofDemacia1 votes

Rylias us good for the rankiness and 100 ap is close to 120 lol but I don't really see a use j for liandrues torment. The only time I would say get it is late game to replace your boots with it

BluePenguin91 votes

His passive "Blaze"

Brand's spells light his targets ablaze, dealing 2% of their maximum health as magic damage per second for 4 seconds, for a total of 8% maximum health. Brand's spells also have bonus effects on blazing targets.

So item 3116 will slow for the full 4 seconds after any spell hits and Liandris will tick DOT dmg forever.

Troy2426211 votes

DPS Brand, I'd imagine, is being used because Torment+Rylais gives you the survivability and % health dmg to shred tanks.

It's decent on Brand because of his powerful DoTs.

djjomon1 votes

Burn on burn, basically

bgnation1 votes

Interesting, I view Brand as a burst champion, so the proc from ludens+lichbane would already do twice/triple as much damage as the liandrys DoT and +12% movement speed isn't too bad. And you're going to autoattack at least once during a spell rotation. Liandrys seems better on champions who already have slows built into their abilities, i.e. Teemo DrMundo .

aaronautumn1 votes

Liandry's was never good on Kat. But anyways, because Brand relies on comboing all his abilities together, Lich Bane doesn't make much sense, he might proc it once during a fight. These items are good on him because of his low range, he needs defense stats more so than other mages. Also, landing an e+q combo is much easier when you have a slow.

dEAdbUs1 votes

This is poke combo. Burst Brand going Raba.

KaileeNox1 votes

the main reason why people use Liandries is it keeps proccing with his burn, so with his burn for 3-4 seconds or whatever it is, it keeps liandries refreshed continually until its down and Liandries does % dmg so its extremely powerful. pair that with rylais and ya got hefty % chunking per second

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

item 3151 does extra damage on spell hit if the target is cced item 3116 slows champions on spell hit

which means hitting one spell slows them, burns them with your passive, and doubles the burn of liandries because of the slow.

overall it takes 2% max health + 4% current health every second for 4 seconds and 3 seconds respectively with one spell hit. from full health it will do ~20% of their health without counting the damage the spell actually does. It also provides magic pen so if they have low amounts of MR you will be doing close to true damage.

CrazedPorcupine1 votes

actually, each tick of Brand's Passive refreshes the duration of Liandry's DoT, so it's actually MORE damage.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

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