How do you convince a kill hungry player that support is good?

Wicked Cry··1 votes·815 views

HI,

I am a pretty long time league player. I hope this thread is in the right section, as I have never really had to post before :)

With my long standing league career, i have taken on an apprentice (one of many failed apprentices) who is really taking off fast. Most people i ask to play, play bots and still do like 0/20/0 but he dives straight into PVP and gets 15 kills within his first few games as tryndamere. The thing is though, i have been slowly showing him and teaching him mechanics of the game and the teamwork of it, and his downfall is the urge to fight everything. Even if there is 5 people he will run out there, resulting in KD's like 10/10 or 10/15 etc. Well he is pretty adamant about his play style and loves going top and recently as he has been leveling up he has been pushed out of top and into the support role many times.

After his first game as support he immediately PM'ed me in rage yelling about how he hated that champ and it was the worst champ in the game and support is the most boring thing ever! I told him that its not all about kills it is about teamwork and he said he only cares about killing. I responded with "so you don't care about winning? Getting XP and IP? Your kills will never matter your losses will stay with you forever." I then proceeded to explain ELO hell to him as vividly as possible, as I have been there myself in the new ELO days and the very old ELO days (which i must say is much worse.) This kind of shook him but he really didn't care. He just wants to run into battle pillaging with no disregard to anyone else's game experience. I took him into a few games where i let him tell me any support champ to play 1v1 against him and i whipped his ass everytime, showed him some videos about the most epic support plays and support carrys. I showed him a few championship clips where the support absolutely changed the game with their ults, etc. I also explained how assists gold gives close to as much gold as kills, and supports like blitz and alistar, sona and morgana, are fun as hell where you wander around the map bringing doom to everyone who enters your vision, but he said he wanted the "satisfaction of the kill."

After his first support game, anytime he gets the role he just incessantly complains and groans, and it got so bad i told him if he didn't stop talking i would stop talking to him and stop teaching him, and really all he did was stand at turret doing nothing or standing around base. I just think he can't grasp the concept of it all.

I'm sorry if this is asking a lot, but some pro-LOL player's insight would help me out, as i too hated support when i first started playing but i never had problems like this, i actually understood teamwork. Maybe some insights on why support is a game changer and what it's capable of and why its fun?

TL;DR How to help someone understand/teach someone the support role?

7 Comments

Wolfess3 votes

hmmm, convincing him that it's good and convincing to play it are two separate things.

though if they like trolling, then they will like supports

Reaper Soraka1 votes

Bard I find this second sentence very offensive. I'm not trolling you, you're the one trolling you for following me on this magical journey!

As for the OP, Some people just don't like roles. I don't like killing enemies, but I like healing/slowing/stunning/baiting them for days so my ally can. I guess it's why we pref roles. :)

Wicked Cry1 votes

True, but if you go into a ranked game and get last pick which is usually support, unless someone is nice, picking some random champ or whining about supporting and doing absolutely terrible is the recipe for ELO hell ;P

Wolfess1 votes

i meant the trolling as trolling the enemy team, not their own. Supports make the plays, they crowd control, they save their marksman's lives (or lane partner's, sometimes might not be a marksman) and deny the enemy team the joy of a kill, and also capture the fleeing enemy champ to give their team the kill.

the support is that annoying guy that usually can't fight but will try to outsmart you into putting you in a disadvantageous position. and that's when they put on their trollface.jpg

Jas3Bae3 votes

It's really a mater of play style and player mentality. The support role somewhat requires the ability to put others before yourself and the enjoyment of indirect tactics. If you still want to convince him to rethink his opinions on the support role, try having him play a champion who can strive on their own but also has abilities that can fill the support role such as Ahri with her charm that can help another ally secure a kill Morgana with her powerful cc abilities and her shield that he should eventually learn to use on someone else Orianna with her versatile skill set (bonus if you can get him to use the orb for bush peeking) I could go on, but I don't want to put that much effort into it. And again, maybe that role just isn't for him, with the team builder option, that might not be a problem.

shyv2 votes

try playing off meta supports. if he plays top, try Shen Malphite Nautilus Volibear Trundle support, or, depending on his play style (it sounds like he really likes doing the damage) try some apc supports Annie Bard Brand Lux Syndra

the top 5 will probably work really well in low elo. low skill, low risk, pretty good still.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

Tell them to play support Darius. Death is the best form of CC.

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