I mean there are sooo many Armor items that help tanks to do tank things but no good magic resistance items. And when will rito release Zhonyas that gives AD and MR it is kinda unfair that all AP champs can get 2,5 s of being untartetable und ad champs just stand there like . . . FUUUUUUUUU and then he kills you cuz his Abilitys are off CD
Jarring7 votesMaw, Merc scimitar, and Wit's End not good enough for you?
Spirit Visage is honestly the best tank item in the game imho. 30% increase to all incoming healing is ridiculously good.
I mean, I guess I can understand how you wouldn't want to build merc scimitar because it's kind of difficult to use, but honestly, it's not any less valuable than zhonya's... in fact it's better. Zhonya's you're twiddling your thumbs for 2.5 seconds and god knows what could happen in that time frame. Merc scimitar you just press it and BAM you're no longer disabled, and oops! I killed you! your spell didn't work haha noob. tbh I don't think it's any more difficult to use either. If you're whining about zhonya's and not using mercurial scimitar, you got some explaining to do.
Thingamajig4 votesMaw, Merc scimitar, and Wit's End not good enough for you?
Spirit Visage is honestly the best tank item in the game imho. 30% increase to all incoming healing is ridiculously good.
I mean, I guess I can understand how you wouldn't want to build merc scimitar because it's kind of difficult to use, but honestly, it's not any less valuable than zhonya's... in fact it's better. Zhonya's you're twiddling your thumbs for 2.5 seconds and god knows what could happen in that time frame. Merc scimitar you just press it and BAM you're no longer disabled, and oops! I killed you! your spell didn't work haha noob. tbh I don't think it's any more difficult to use either. If you're whining about zhonya's and not using mercurial scimitar, you got some explaining to do.
MR items are generally trash
Jarring5 votesMR items are generally trash
For what? Mercurial Scimitar is amazing. Like, you want AD MR items right? What's wrong with Maw and Merc? Do you want the Zhonya's active instead of the cleanse on Merc Scimitar? Is that it? Hmm.. I wonder how awesome it would be for AP to have cleanse on an item. It would definitely be good on them, but it really just seems kind of pointless to think about.
I was bummed when they reworked abyssal, so that AP can't build full damage that automatically comes with a little bit of early mr for dealing with teh opposing laner if they are AP...but that doesn't mean banshee's sucks. None of the other MR items suck either.
Like, from where I'm sitting you're either exaggerating the effectiveness of zhonya's because of streams/youtube montages or you don't actually understand itemization.
Itemization seems overly equal if nothing else across the board. Full AD gets GA Mercs, Maw, Phantom Dancer, and Edge of Night...not to mention so much more shit that can help vs burst like steraks and DD.
Full AP just gets Zhonya's and Banshee's.. that's it. 2 items. Like, AP barely gets anything to counter both AD AND itself... yet itemization to counter AP damage is the problem. If anything, it's AP not having any resistance items in general.
AP doesn't really need another armor item...Zhonya's is hard to beat...Eul's has been an essential item in DotA since forever(way before LoL), and though Zhonya's is just a single way to use the active of Eul's, it's still probably one of the best actives AP champs could ever have in LoL. Could be a LOT better though. Yeah I guess AP champs could use an MR item, but having MR would be like it's trying to counter itself. It's redundant. Yeah I loved having Abyssal Scepter, but at the same time, I understood it was a redundant item. When 2 AP champs meet each other in the mid lane, guess what happens, they both buy Abyssal Scepter first item every single game. Redundant.
Sir Saltarin1 votesNo one buys Mercurial C for the mr lol, it's only bought for the QSS active.
Thingamajig1 votesFor what? Mercurial Scimitar is amazing. Like, you want AD MR items right? What's wrong with Maw and Merc? Do you want the Zhonya's active instead of the cleanse on Merc Scimitar? Is that it? Hmm.. I wonder how awesome it would be for AP to have cleanse on an item. It would definitely be good on them, but it really just seems kind of pointless to think about.
I was bummed when they reworked abyssal, so that AP can't build full damage that automatically comes with a little bit of early mr for dealing with teh opposing laner if they are AP...but that doesn't mean banshee's sucks. None of the other MR items suck either.
Like, from where I'm sitting you're either exaggerating the effectiveness of zhonya's because of streams/youtube montages or you don't actually understand itemization.
Itemization seems overly equal if nothing else across the board. Full AD gets GA Mercs, Maw, Phantom Dancer, and Edge of Night...not to mention so much more shit that can help vs burst like steraks and DD.
Full AP just gets Zhonya's and Banshee's.. that's it. 2 items. Like, AP barely gets anything to counter both AD AND itself... yet itemization to counter AP damage is the problem. If anything, it's AP not having any resistance items in general.
AP doesn't really need another armor item...Zhonya's is hard to beat...Eul's has been an essential item in DotA since forever(way before LoL), and though Zhonya's is just a single way to use the active of Eul's, it's still probably one of the best actives AP champs could ever have in LoL. Could be a LOT better though. Yeah I guess AP champs could use an MR item, but having MR would be like it's trying to counter itself. It's redundant. Yeah I loved having Abyssal Scepter, but at the same time, I understood it was a redundant item. When 2 AP champs meet each other in the mid lane, guess what happens, they both buy Abyssal Scepter first item every single game. Redundant.
we are talking here about tank items not bruiser or adc items ornn won't go mercurial nor maw
ornn doesn't like spirit because no in built healing you don't go adaptive unless you are vs azir akali or cassio
so you are left with 1 MR item and boots that are also for CC ie you aren't going mercs unless you are getting blasted by cc so of all the MR items you are left with abyssal mask
so MR items are generally trash as they are counter specific and abused by some champions while things like thornmail are good into healing and good in every game in which there is 1 auto attacker sunfire is good on any tank with the ability to stick onto people or if they want help wave clearing omen is good as an aoe slow and atk speed slow even if there is no crit user righteous is great on tanks that want to run in faster (mostly hook based supports use it really well as well) or even stoneplate (although a trash item if you don't have at least 1k bonus hp which is around 3rd item ie stoneplate is "marginally" good as a 4th item)
again we are talking about tank items for TANKS
Jarring1 voteswe are talking here about tank items not bruiser or adc items ornn won't go mercurial nor maw
ornn doesn't like spirit because no in built healing you don't go adaptive unless you are vs azir akali or cassio
so you are left with 1 MR item and boots that are also for CC ie you aren't going mercs unless you are getting blasted by cc so of all the MR items you are left with abyssal mask
so MR items are generally trash as they are counter specific and abused by some champions while things like thornmail are good into healing and good in every game in which there is 1 auto attacker sunfire is good on any tank with the ability to stick onto people or if they want help wave clearing omen is good as an aoe slow and atk speed slow even if there is no crit user righteous is great on tanks that want to run in faster (mostly hook based supports use it really well as well) or even stoneplate (although a trash item if you don't have at least 1k bonus hp which is around 3rd item ie stoneplate is "marginally" good as a 4th item)
again we are talking about tank items for TANKS
Yes a lot of Ornn's damage is magical, so Abyssal Mask is the most viable MR item on him...not only that but Abyssal mask gives healing in its unique passive.
Another thing...just because a champion does not have sustain in their kit, doesn't mean Spirit Visage is useless on them. Ornn has a relatively high growth coefficient for %base health regen(which scales off of 2 of the item's passive stats)...having some of the highest in the game, naturally, as does most every other tank/juggernaut that i know of. It's a common trait tanks normally share. Yeah base health regen isn't that big of a deal for most champions.. but for tanks, it is. You might not really notice it most of the time, but it definitely makes a difference, regardless of whether or not you take notice of it. The unique passive of Spectre's Cowl isn't some useless stat...It's incredibly effective in combination with the rest of its base stats.. and even more so when you add it to items such as Doran's shield, and Abyssal Mask. I'm also sure that you know that as a tank, Spirit Visage makes any healing support that much more effective at healing you as well. I mean, the way I see it, it just gets better and better the more I look at it...when all you did is take one look at its unique passive, and think, hey, my champion doesn't have any abilities that give me sustain, must mean it's a useless item! And don't stop there! Only getting the 2 biggest MR items for Ornn is a waste when you could top it off with Warmog's... Yes Armor is important too..not saying you shouldn't get armor...just saying Warmog's tops off the tank build even further.. causing the scaling to go through the roof. You get another 200%base hp regen, an absurd about of HP, and its absolutely broken ass passive that is...you guessed it! hard scaling with Spirit Visage. Even after getting all 3 of these amazing scaling MR tank items...you still have room for at least 2 tank armor items as well...
Thingamajig1 votesYes a lot of Ornn's damage is magical, so Abyssal Mask is the most viable MR item on him...not only that but Abyssal mask gives healing in its unique passive.
Another thing...just because a champion does not have sustain in their kit, doesn't mean Spirit Visage is useless on them. Ornn has a relatively high growth coefficient for %base health regen(which scales off of 2 of the item's passive stats)...having some of the highest in the game, naturally, as does most every other tank/juggernaut that i know of. It's a common trait tanks normally share. Yeah base health regen isn't that big of a deal for most champions.. but for tanks, it is. You might not really notice it most of the time, but it definitely makes a difference, regardless of whether or not you take notice of it. The unique passive of Spectre's Cowl isn't some useless stat...It's incredibly effective in combination with the rest of its base stats.. and even more so when you add it to items such as Doran's shield, and Abyssal Mask. I'm also sure that you know that as a tank, Spirit Visage makes any healing support that much more effective at healing you as well. I mean, the way I see it, it just gets better and better the more I look at it...when all you did is take one look at its unique passive, and think, hey, my champion doesn't have any abilities that give me sustain, must mean it's a useless item! And don't stop there! Only getting the 2 biggest MR items for Ornn is a waste when you could top it off with Warmog's... Yes Armor is important too..not saying you shouldn't get armor...just saying Warmog's tops off the tank build even further.. causing the scaling to go through the roof. You get another 200%base hp regen, an absurd about of HP, and its absolutely broken ass passive that is...you guessed it! hard scaling with Spirit Visage. Even after getting all 3 of these amazing scaling MR tank items...you still have room for at least 2 tank armor items as well...
im just gonna say that if your argument is that i should buy an item that is 80% gold efficient on me just because it's "there" you should refrain from trying to argue ever again with me about tanks
yea bro go buy adaptive helm vs veigar im sure it's gonna be great for you if you want to int that is
Jarring1 votesAlso another problem with building bramblevest is that since it's main use is to counter ADCs...building it early vs AD toplane wouldn't be as worthwhile as working towards building a full item with both HP and armor. Like I've said...there are tons of ADs that don't give a shit about bramblevest...i mean take Zed for instance, doesn't do shit vs him. Want more? How about the most basic AD champion in the game, Garen? Pantheon, Nasus, Poppy, Renekton, Rengar.. I mean, some of these have healing that would be reduced, but regardless, Bramblevest is definitely not going to be the item that stops them from winning lane. It's possible some champions would have a much more difficult time vs a combination of the grievous wounds + OTHER tank items.. but early bramblevest is not the end-all be-all item people build vs AD in top lane. That's fucking dumb as shit.
Yes, it goes really well into shit like Trynd, Quinn, Vayne, Jax, Irelia, Kayle(if AD) etc. I mean Vayne's passive kind of innately counters bramblevest...but if you're going to get an armor item vs her, it's stilll probably going to be one of the best you can get. Anyways what do all these champions have in common? They primarily scale very hard off of attack speed. How many champions in top lane do you notice building attack speed? I mean.. beyond trinity force...It's uncommon for top lane AD champions to build any attack speed items. The only reason bramblevest works so well into Irelia and Jax is because they both have passives that give them massive amounts of attack speed on top of auto-resets. Their healing is just an after-thought in comparison(well Irelia's anyways). Outside of these 2 champions, bramble isn't really all that effective even though they might be building triforce.
I swear to god. Like.. it's like people don't think. They just see the stat and think it always must just roughly translate into whatever they play against. hurr durr armor beats attack damage. hurr durr magic resist beats attack power..
i don't use poo poo items because they not ever work right
people who are able to counter my items because of my poor itemization skills is unfair.
hurr durr
this item always works vs me because i always do so same thing so it must be broken
i will never change because i am stone man.
Thingamajig1 votesAlso another problem with building bramblevest is that since it's main use is to counter ADCs...building it early vs AD toplane wouldn't be as worthwhile as working towards building a full item with both HP and armor. Like I've said...there are tons of ADs that don't give a shit about bramblevest...i mean take Zed for instance, doesn't do shit vs him. Want more? How about the most basic AD champion in the game, Garen? Pantheon, Nasus, Poppy, Renekton, Rengar.. I mean, some of these have healing that would be reduced, but regardless, Bramblevest is definitely not going to be the item that stops them from winning lane. It's possible some champions would have a much more difficult time vs a combination of the grievous wounds + OTHER tank items.. but early bramblevest is not the end-all be-all item people build vs AD in top lane. That's fucking dumb as shit.
Yes, it goes really well into shit like Trynd, Quinn, Vayne, Jax, Irelia, Kayle(if AD) etc. I mean Vayne's passive kind of innately counters bramblevest...but if you're going to get an armor item vs her, it's stilll probably going to be one of the best you can get. Anyways what do all these champions have in common? They primarily scale very hard off of attack speed. How many champions in top lane do you notice building attack speed? I mean.. beyond trinity force...It's uncommon for top lane AD champions to build any attack speed items. The only reason bramblevest works so well into Irelia and Jax is because they both have passives that give them massive amounts of attack speed on top of auto-resets. Their healing is just an after-thought in comparison(well Irelia's anyways). Outside of these 2 champions, bramble isn't really all that effective even though they might be building triforce.
I swear to god. Like.. it's like people don't think. They just see the stat and think it always must just roughly translate into whatever they play against. hurr durr armor beats attack damage. hurr durr magic resist beats attack power..
i don't use poo poo items because they not ever work right
people who are able to counter my items because of my poor itemization skills is unfair.
hurr durr
this item always works vs me because i always do so same thing so it must be broken
i will never change because i am stone man.
i thought you were gonna make sense at some point so i gave your post a chance but i was mistaken
Malix Farwin3 votesMR items are generally trash
To be fair, so are Armor Items.
Thingamajig1 votes[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZWBAVJ0Q,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-12-13T14:34:51.926+0000)
To be fair, so are Armor Items.
yes but at least the armor items are good at certain points in the game bami. bramble, tabi are very effective at mitigating physical damage early on while nobody really gives a shit if you got mercs or spectra hell people don't give a shit even if you get hexdrinker
Jarring1 votesyes but at least the armor items are good at certain points in the game bami. bramble, tabi are very effective at mitigating physical damage early on while nobody really gives a shit if you got mercs or spectra hell people don't give a shit even if you get hexdrinker
idk what kind of games you've been playing...where people don't give a shit about what items other people buy..
but when I play AP in mid lane, especially AP assassins like LB and Ekko(2 of my favorite champs), I always find it difficult when the enemy team buys mercs/maw and/or mercurial scimitar. Mercurial Scimitar is more likely to be bought vs me if I'm playing a mage, rather than an AP assassin.. which are very different. While mages rely on stuns to kill people most of the time, AP assassins aren't as reliant on stuns to kill even though they have them, which definitely helps. Normally Maw is the better item to build into AP Assassins because if they are good, they are going to be able to get their damage off on you regardless of whether or not you get stunned...Like...LB's root is a big deal, and can definitely be the difference between winning or otherwise...If you get stunned by an assassin, it's more than likely already too late to do anything the majority of the time. Like, you'd be better off just buying Maw, it's more likely to save you. Maw is especially a bitch vs AP assassins...like for real, if they aren't a freaking idiot, you will NEVER solo kill them. That's just how it goes. As for mages, you really only have to worry about their burst if you get caught out by their stun...which is why qss is better vs THEM... Nobody gives a shit about certain items because nobody knows how to itemize correctly...same reason you think bramblevest is OP.. nobody knows how to itemize apparently. I mean it is kind of a trap after-all. players inherently build botrk vs tanks, and botrk does not help vs bramblevest. last whisper beast bramblevest, and literally every other item in the game that has AD on it counters bramblevest. ya know.. cept for botrk. cuz it has relatively high attackspeed and lifesteal, which both get countered by bramble. stormrazor has a little bit of AS.. but its ridiculously high AD and energized burst makes up for what little AS it provides so that it's still one of the best AD items in the game to build into bramble aside from last whisper. People think bramble is OP cuz it does peanuts in magical damage on attack...as if the peanuts where such a big deal if your champion didn't attack 2.5 times a second.
Here is an example where my pentakill was decided on a stun with an AP assassin vs a team that didn't build Maw. The only MR item on the entire team was the Aatrox who of course built Spirit Visage like he always should, it's the best tank item in the game...and it's not used just because champions have sustain in their kit. Yes, it makes a HUGE difference...a huge reason spirit visage is the best tank item in the game is because of how much sustain there is in the game and it is hard scaling with sustain...and I mean HARD scaling. That passive OWNSSSSSS. You're just fucking stupid af if you think otherwise. I'm fucking sorry. You really are. I can't tell you any different because it's the fucking truth. It's even useful on champions that have literally no sustain in their entire kit. Just having relatively high %base hp regen makes it useful, and if you just went something like idk gasp grasp of the undying...it would be even fucking better. Shit, there's MORE!! basically. I can talk all day about how you're wrong. Try me. I don't really play much. I play maybe idk.. 1-2 games a week? max. Maybe 10 games a month when I'm feeling extra crisp. I go months and even years without even playing at all...but i still keep up with the game, watch tournaments/streams, read patch notes, etc. I know the game, and I know how it works. but yeah, just a casual penta kill. I'm not like bragging or anything about it, like I'm no challenger in LoL lol i'd never play enough to get that much mmr, but like, I have game knowledge. I've been playing mobas since 2004. I was equivalent to "challenger" in both the original DotA Allstars, and Heroes of Newerth. Just an FYI, HoN is harder than DotA 2, and the skill gap between LoL players and HoN players isn't even measurable. I might not be even remotely close to "pro" in any moba currently though, but I am willing to bet my life savings I have more experience than 99.9999% of people. That's 1 in 1 million moba players who have equal or higher experience than me. If you knew me at all, i don't think you'd second guess it. Shit, I have a best friend who's right along side me...though he knows jack-shit about LoL...he always thought it was like a child's toy...which I agreed with him for the most part in the beginning but I've come around and I have extensive knowledge on all 3 major stand-alone mobas including the base game the genre was created from. Anyways here's the clip. https://plays.tv/s/MFfE5euRCYrP
wait.. he DIDN'T buy spirit visage.. oh.. what a fucking dumbass. I swear. Some people. at least the panth was building towards it cuz he saw the fight right before that one lol...and panth doesn't even have sustain in his kit. omgz spirit visage so bad...Aatrox buys a fucking DD before feeling like it's necessary to get a spirit visage or literally ANY MR for that matter when he was laning against an ekko. spirit visage is literally one of the best items on Aatrox, not even taking into account the MR it has.. it's just that good on him because he already has a shitload of sustain in his kit. Like, you should build it on him every game unless the enemy team is literally full AD. Insane scaling... it's the only reason for aatrox becoming so big he becomes an immortal fucking god that just can't die he has so much sustain. he'll literally just heal back to full with 2 Qs..only has to actually land one q in the sweet spot to kill you. lol. mr items broken. spirit visage has been and will always be the best mr item in the game. dumb af to say anything else. Not just about aatrox it's just a fact. Actually, I'd most likely build it on him even if the enemy team is FULL AD. the dudebruh has passive healing in 3 different instances within his kit. his main passive. his W passive. and his ult. I find it ludicrous they kept all his healing, yet removed the resurrect. Aatrox's healing wasn't even remotely close to this scale originally...yet for some reason, a personal GA is the problem. Sounds legit. I mean, I'm not complaining.. by all means. Let it be... I just find it hilarious how backwards this game can be...not that the player base is any better.
Jimmy Rustles3 votesLmao
Yea, Merc and Zhonyas aren't even remotely close
Zhonyas is 2900 and Merc is 3400
Near every mage builds zhonyas because it has one of the best use effects in the entire game, the only time you build Merc is against heavy CC ults like Morde or Malz
Wits end is rarely used, like under 1% chance you'll see someone build it in your game because it's only good on a small collection of champs and they have better items
Maw is also trash on comparison to Zhonyas as well, sure you can get hexdrinker early on but mages can also get seekers are get a better item for cheaper
2Charmnot2Charm3 votesbuild Merc is against heavy CC ults like Morde or Malz
[sg-lux-2]
Sir Saltarin1 votesHe means that the only reason anyone buys Mercurial C is for the active and not the stats.
Which is true.
Jarring3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZWBAVJ0Q,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-13T14:21:10.904+0000)
He means that the only reason anyone buys Mercurial C is for the active and not the stats.
Which is true.
That's only because the active is so fucking good, that it outweighs MR so much that it becomes a trivial resource at that point.
Why are you complaining about AD not having MR items again? Like WTF do you fucking want?
More MR on Merc Scimitar? Is that it? How about more AD while we're at it. Let's just give it attack speed and crit too.
Sir Saltarin1 votesDon't rebate what I didn't say please.
It's gross and shows how little clue you have about having a healthy debate.
I just pointed that saying that Mercurial Cimitar as an item that is only bought for the active and not the stats it's true.
You even agree with my comment which makes the rest of your comment even more pointless.
Jarring2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZWBAVJ0Q,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-13T15:21:27.276+0000)
Don't rebate what I didn't say please.
It's gross and shows how little clue you have about having a healthy debate.
I just pointed that saying that Mercurial Cimitar as an item that is only bought for the active and not the stats it's true.
You even agree with my comment which makes the rest of your comment even more pointless.
"That's only because the active is so fucking good, that it outweighs MR so much that it becomes a trivial resource at that point."
This is what I said that is apparently a pointless rebate which simply acknowledges the truth of your statement at best.
insert long stuck-up cartoon nose meme
2Charmnot2Charm3 votesHe shouldn’t be calling it mercs when THIS 
is what everyone refers to when they say “merc”
The active is useful for more than just Malz, WW, Skarner and whatever else ult. Try playing a burst mage or assassin vs. that late game, you will not be able to do your job unless the person with it is a complete idiot.
Jarring3 votes
He shouldn’t be calling it mercs when THIS
The active is useful for more than just Malz, WW, Skarner and whatever else ult. Try playing a burst mage or assassin vs. that late game, you will not be able to do your job unless the person with it is a complete idiot.
yeah i mean generally anything at all with just a root gets hit pretty hard when they can QSS it. Most of the time, a good root/stun guarantees you can kill them if you know what you are doing and have been farming enough damage, etc. I mean most of the time anyways. Like, think Lux, one of the most basic, easy to learn AP champs in the fucking game. you root someone, you ult and they die. If they QSS it, guess what, not only do they survive, but they can fucking kill you while you're in the ult's animation.
Sir Saltarin2 votesHe shouldn’t be calling it mercs when THIS
You wouldn't be confused if you actually had readed his comment because he's talking about a Merc item that costs 3400.
That indicates that he's not talking about the fucking boots.
HP Crookshanks5 votesWhy do MR items and runes have higher win rate than armor items and runes? Why are AD champions far more popular than AP champions? Why full AP is auto lose while full AD is not?
MR is obviously better than armor.
Jimmy Rustles4 votesVisage is basically the only tank MR item, and even then its not amazing
Abyssal Mask sucks unless you're Ornn and get to upgrade it
Adaptive is so situational and gives way too little HP
And that's the end of tank MR items
So yes, we need good MR items
BrokenRayquaza4 votesPersonally I feel the current ones are fine. With Merc treads and hexdrinker, you can basically tank all a mages dmg and reduce their kiting with cc potential almost entirely if your ahead. Maybe make mr items a bit less situational but honestly their fine imo
2Charmnot2Charm3 votesLets answer your question with another question.
Do all mages have an 1.0 AP Ratio manaless damage source that can deal damage 2.5 (1.0 at worst) times a second?
Hedge Witch3 votesI mean there are sooo many Armor items that help tanks to do tank things but no good magic resistance items. And when will rito release Zhonyas that gives AD and MR it is kinda unfair that all AP champs can get 2,5 s of being untartetable und ad champs just stand there like . . . FUUUUUUUUU and then he kills you cuz his Abilitys are off CD
Enlighten me here buddy. I'm a mage and going against a full AD comp. I buy zhonya's, then what else do I buy to counter them? Nothing? Because there is only 1 AP armor item? Okay, thank you , next.
Daddy Ants2 votesYou know what I find alarming...
The best MR item that don't require 
is actually 
and who uses it?
Oh right yeah, Mages!
Not only do they have the best itemization in the game, they also have 2 of the best defensive items in the game (
)
Best Tank MR items are 55 MR - 
Best Assassin MR item is 50 MR - 
Best Bruiser MR items is 55 MR -
Best Mage MR item is 60 MR -
Best ADC MR item is 35 MR - 
Best Support MR item is 60 MR - 
Jarring3 votesYou know what I find alarming...
The best MR item that don't require
Oh right yeah, Mages!
Not only do they have the best itemization in the game, they also have 2 of the best defensive items in the game (
Best Tank MR items are 55 MR -
Best Assassin MR item is 50 MR -
Best Bruiser MR items is 55 MR -
Best Mage MR item is 60 MR -
Best ADC MR item is 35 MR -
Best Support MR item is 60 MR -
banshee's not hte best mr item in the game. far from it. it blocks one spell, and once it's consumed, it's nearly impossible to refresh the shield until you reset. Like, seriously though, Banshee's is pretty bad. I mean, it's not terrible for being the only MR item available to AP...but the unique passive is about as useful as blocking one instance of electrocute at best. I mean, what are the chances the spell shield actually gets consumed on a CC ability? maybe 1:99 ? I mean yeah it happens, but.. it's not likely. Why do you think qss exists? It's AMAZING for initiating against champs with CC, because they have to waste other spells to consume it wasting valuable time they could have used instantly CCing you...but beyond that, it's kind of underwhelming. I mean, if it was actually good, you'd see mages buying it every game in higher mmr not unlike high mmr adcs who buy qss.
Daddy Ants2 votesbanshee's not hte best mr item in the game. far from it. it blocks one spell, and once it's consumed, it's nearly impossible to refresh the shield until you reset. Like, seriously though, Banshee's is pretty bad. I mean, it's not terrible for being the only MR item available to AP...but the unique passive is about as useful as blocking one instance of electrocute at best. I mean, what are the chances the spell shield actually gets consumed on a CC ability? maybe 1:99 ? I mean yeah it happens, but.. it's not likely. Why do you think qss exists? It's AMAZING for initiating against champs with CC, because they have to waste other spells to consume it wasting valuable time they could have used instantly CCing you...but beyond that, it's kind of underwhelming. I mean, if it was actually good, you'd see mages buying it every game in higher mmr not unlike high mmr adcs who buy qss.
Since when does an Items active, make it a bad mr item?
I'm talking about the sheer amount of mr here
Jarring1 votesSince when does an Items active, make it a bad mr item?
I'm talking about the sheer amount of mr here
I didn't say that the active(which is actually a unique passive) makes it a bad item. I did however imply the item is bad in comparison to QSS/merc due to the unique passive being underwhelming.
Going by the logic that the value of all items are equivalent to the basic bonus stats they provide, Adaptive Helmet would be almost as good as Spirit Visage if only it provided 100 more Health points, and everyone knows that isn't true.
ShadWooo2 votesBecause you need just one mr item to be completely immune to all AP champs (with exeptions of Akali a few others).
MorganFreemanBot2 votesBecause magic damage doesn't scale as hard as AD.
For example: AD has crit, attack speed, raw AD, % pen, CDR and flat pen. All of these stats interact with one another to make AD damage ramp up faster and faster. Autos scale with all of them, and abilities will scale will scale with almost all of them (most AD abilities don't scale with crit, not -that- many scale with attack speed).
On the flip side, you have magic damage. Magic scales with: Ability power, flat pen, % pen, and CDR. That's it. CDR isn't really worth mentioning, because AD scales with the exact same stats.
Simply look at someone like Zed, and then look at an AP champ that fulfills a similar role, such as Ahri. Zed scales harder and faster than Ahri, and that's before you factor in auto scaling as well.
Jarring1 votesIDK if i should post this. It's useless information. don't read it if you love LoL and hate DotA, and/or really really care about which one is better. I honestly don't care, and think that they are both great games. I had absolutely zero respect for LoL at first, but I've come to appreciate it more and more over the years.
~~makes me wonder what you noobs would think about the items in dota. There are no "ap items" lol. There's definitely attack damage, but AP? nah. intelligent heroes with lots of nice spells are overpowered to begin with in the right hands. I specifically remember the first item they added that introduced "spell power" was octarine core. It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure it was well after it had already officially come out of "beta"...though I think it might have been around the same time they updated their client with "dota 2 reborn" or whatever. Sometimes the shift from beta to alpha can be kind of fuzzy in my mind. I definitely remember HoN's beta phase ending because it asked 10$ from everyone who played it. I mean, it was a shitload of people, cuz the MAJORITY of moba players played it over LoL. It always confused me as to why people played LoL instead of HoN.. I mean, I get it now, it makes sense if you never played a moba before...or never got good at dota lol idk.. actually yeah I can imagine a good percentage of dota players I'd dominate in every game preferring LoL because of reasons(cough mechanical skill). ~~
When LoL came out of beta, did it put a lock on all the champs or what? I mean, I guess it would right? When I FIRST played it, I think there were like.. 20 champions to choose from total...so it would be ridiculous to put any of them under a pay wall. I didn't really put much time into it, I mean I might have 1 game of beta under my belt, if that. tbh it seems like all I did was watch my best friend play it once, and we both came to the same conclusion. The original game was better...at least until we found keys to the beta for HoN, which was like, the literal savior of the genre(made by the same creator as DotA 2--nothing against Steve Guinsoo Feak).
That's another thing that REALLY kind of pisses me off about LoL. Why the fudge do all the champs have to come under a goddamned pay wall? Don't your skins make you MORE than enough money? Jesus effing christ, you're making like 20 different games now, guess we might as well pay for em. I mean I get it, it makes Riot a shitload of money...especially when you take into account the code of conduct or whatever it was called. Tribunal was it? More like tri-ban-all ur champs for $$. Real shame lol. I mean, I guess it's an obvious money grab/pay to win strat, the original dota game was literally the most toxic game in-the-world. Yes, hundreds of times worse than LoL. You think LoL is bad? Imagine your worst game of LoL, and then multiply it to every single game ever, where multiple people leave literally every single game. Shit I remember playing a game as axe, and just running at a Nyx and pudge duo right clicking them. Couldn't have been more than the second wave I got a double kill on them, and then they both immediately left. Just the way it was. I mean, not everyone would leave immediately after killing them once, but it would definitely happen, and it was especially more likely if it happened more than once. You better believe there was shit talk in every-single-game.
Jarring1 votesoh and before you say anything about warmog's not being an MR item, yes you're right, it doesn't have any MR.. but think about how AP works... all AP abilities(other than dot mages) consist of burst damage rotations with a relatively long timer(at least in comparison to any AD champion in the game).
Now think about what Warmog's does, and try to understand why it is an "MR tank item", rather than an "armor tank item", that benefits more by building into AD.
Does that mean it needs MR? No. Its unique passive is amazing enough as it is. If you don't understand why it's good vs AP, that's your own fault.
