What are the objectives of the changes for Zyra that just hit the PBE ?

Jus de Castagne·May 17, 2017·1 votes·895 views

After this patch 7.9, the lane bully support have been nerf due to the coming of the Doran Shield and its huge regen on the ADC. Even before, I think that Zyra was strong but not broken due to the nerf of the aggro of the plants.

But I can't really the nerfs coming on the 7.11 :

Plants - Plant Health changed from 4 to 2 Plant Spawn Rate (increased slightly)

The decrease of health of plants make it killable only by one auto attack from any opponents, and the decrease of the DPS

Rampant Growth (W) - [removed] no longer increases plant health by 10/20/30/40/50% [new effect] now causes plants to spawn 10/20/30/40/50% faster.

This change is make sense : it reduce the health of plants by 10/20/30/40/50% and increase his spawn frequency by 10/20/30/40/50%, the same amount, it is nice.

Stranglethorns (R) [new effect] Increases plant health by 100/150/200%

Imo increase the health on the ulti his kinda useless, no one attacks plants when he have been ult.

Sorry if there is thing that I missunderstood

6 Comments

RAT IN GAME UwU May 17, 20177 votes

if you're new to league of legends, Riot has no plan, they sit and tinker with numbers when they feel something needs a nerf, but their actual nerfs seem to be covering their eyes and throwing a dart at a large board that has passive Q W E R and wherever the dart lands they nerf or buff that ability / passive

for example they're nerfing Sejuani's tankiness(she's a tank) but not her damage she's dealing(the problem is her damage) so now she will lose her identity as a tank and be more of a fighter

The zyra changes make sense, as she becomes a fucking nightmare in the early mid to mid game, she can spawn plants that take forever to kill and they become extremely overwhelming and require multiple seconds to take down, for something that she can just put back instantly it's a little oppressive,

having more plants will get the damage out quicker, (more burst) but they won't live as long (less sustained damage and disruption)

overall it will remain to be seen how these changes make a difference, 50% more plant speed might be too much they might have to nerf it, but if they die instantly, an aoe could wipe them all out rendering zyra useless against aoe champions...so who knows

Crede777May 17, 20171 votes

I agree about Riot failing to identify core characteristics of each champ and balancing around that.

As an example, Vayne's core identity is an extremely high damage ADC with low range and extremely low max health. When they attempted to balance her years ago, they ended up making her do less damage but gain a bit more health. This was the wrong direction I think. If Vayne was a problem, they needed to hammer her champion weaknesses (HP and range) to compensate for her strength (% max HP true damage). They need to do this with every champ. Identify which attributes and abilities define that champ and then balance them by modifying their thematic strengths and weaknesses.

As a future example, Lee Sin. His strengths are his mobility and damage. His key abilities are his Q and R. If he is judged to be too strong, they need to hit him in other areas (i.e. nerfing his sustain/tankiness and his W and E abilities).

OleandervineMay 17, 20171 votes

The PBE is where they tinker with potential ideas. The whole purpose of the PBE is to test balance changes and get feedback. This isn't set in stone at all. It's an experiment, a "what if we did this." Jumping the gun and calling them morons for experimenting on their experimental server is just nearsighted.

Jus de CastagneMay 17, 20171 votes

I don't know where do you see me calling them morons, I am just expecting a reason of this nerf and I am just giving them my feedback about those changes

OleandervineMay 17, 20171 votes

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I don't know where do you see me calling them morons, I am just expecting a reason of this nerf and I am just giving them my feedback about those changes

You didn't, but the other person did.

HethaleanMay 17, 20171 votes

I'm not sure either. I'm guessing they hate the idea of plants/voidlings right now so they're just nerfing them. Zyra is about middle of the pact for most of the statistics on her, and her win rate is sub 50% so idk why they would need to hit her. Oh well, Support shouldn't be fun to play because you can deal damage, but because you're just a CC and peel bot AI I guess.