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When are we getting another support champ?

Jubiance··51 votes·3,947 views

I'm a support main and the last support oriented champion we got was July 2015 Tahm Kench, currently his play rate is lower then average.

For the record some might say Ivern is a support but he is played 80 percent in the jungle as of right now and his kit is oriented towards the jungle role, so in my opinion he isn't really a support champion

I was hoping that support would be next in line after jungle seeing as how we have waited for so long but Camille? Don't get me wrong I love her design but she couldn't have been pushed back or delayed for a support? With her current look many speculate her as a top or mid assassin but that doesn't make any sense to me, mid just recently got Taliyah this year, and top lane recieved Kled but where is a support for the bottom lane?

I was really looking forward to december after waiting so long bedause I was excited to see new people trying out the support role again, after all interest spikes in the least popular role every time a support champion is introduced.

Riot if you really want more support players in the community and support mains to stay interested please stop ignoring our role and give us something new to have fun with, I just feel really stumped after all the other lanes have recieved their new champs but support is being denied theirs.

Anyway this is just my opinion feel free to leave yours I just wanted to see what other players thought about Camille and no support champs for another 2 months

152 Comments

Marshbouy41 votes

We just got a new support...Singed

AL0003 votes

Soon to be on LCS feature!

woodvsmurph1 votes

Great vs people who've never played against it and who can't attack move. Mediocre if they know how to attack move. Very bad vs good laners who play stuff like: Zyra Vayne Nami Ashe

Marshbouy2 votes

the joke . . . . you

no offense of course, but my comment was referencing the support singed drama

woodvsmurph3 votes

And i was pointing out for everyone that comes there and thinks singed support is broken that it really isn't. Well, if he does get an lcs feature, let's hope the reporters DON'T CHASE after him with lots of questions. We both know how that would end lol.

HazyCloud716 votes

Riot is not ignoring support players, some people are just so entitled...

Do you realize that supports benefited more from the pre-season update than any other role? A handful of their items got price reductions, and they got Knight's Vow + Redemption. In addition to that, Meddler just posted a lengthy piece of his opinion on the current state and future of supports.

Riot is certainly not ignoring you. And personally I think it makes perfect sense for a new assassin to come out shortly after the assassin rework, particularly considering 2012 was the last time an assassin was released.

Rozzeta17 votes

Yeah, I also want to pretend Ekko doesn't exist.

Naon2 votes

Considering they received major overhauls and get to do flashy stuff all the time and get to look good in LCS, I don't really see why they need another assassin released right away. The assassin reworks basically were just new champs put in with the name of old champs. They feel different then before.

Supports although we got some gold changes and some items are still not in a good position at this time. We have no good way to level up, we don't get to do much as far as flashy plays, we are still viewed as nothing but ward bots, and some of the supports really need to be relooked at power wise. We didn't get much as far as mastery changes this season ( unless you are a tank sup ) and even then we are now more vulnerable then ever with getting blown up quick this season thanks to the ADCs, Assassins, and item changes.

We also have to play the least favorite role in league, if you want to make the role more desirable, it's time to give us a few new supports or some kits that are really fun to play. Give us more reward for doing the work that no one else wants to que for. There's a reason that supports have the shortest que times to get into games. It's because there is a major lack of people queing for that role vs another role. I think there has been only a handful of times I myself didn't get support in ranked or normals when I qued for it as main or secondary. I'm pretty much always guaranteed the slot and I tell you, it can start getting boring after a while. It's a very thankless job, and if something goes wrong, it's considered either our fault or the jungler gets blamed. Doesn't matter if the top was busy trying to go steal their red and got caught out while our team was doing something else like taking towers together. Top will still yell we should have went to ward their red for him or something.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

I mean supports can actually carry a semi-competent ADC in preseason now with just money due to how much free stuff you give them for buying items (locket, KV, Mikael, Censer, Grail, Redemption, etc.). It actually doesn't matter if you dive the enemy ADC anymore when they take so much reduced damage via shields or just DR and can get healed to full in no time at all.

Battlecast Sona5 votes

do you realize that support is the only role that hasn't had a new champ actually made for it since 2015? In a month that's two years.

But it surely is entitled that instead of just buffing the same stable of supports that has been in play since season 1, we get new champs. You know, like every single other role does regularly multiple times a year.

Some people's children.

Dolasaur2 votes

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do you realize that support is the only role that hasn't had a new champ actually made for it since 2015? In a month that's two years.

But it surely is entitled that instead of just buffing the same stable of supports that has been in play since season 1, we get new champs. You know, like every single other role does regularly multiple times a year.

Some people's children.

o.O There are more supports than ADCs. And multiple times per year? They've only been doing 5 champs a year, so they can't all be getting multiple champs a year.

Also, maybe don't inflate the time? In a month, it'll have been 1.5 years, not two years. If a champ is released on December 31st, you can't just say "in a day, that's one year." I mean, your concern is valid. But exaggeration gains people's attention, not their respect.

I love support variety, and I think that the supports Riot has put out have generally been high quality and very different from each other. I'd rather Riot continues releasing at a comfortable cadence and getting Braum, Bard, and Tahm Kench, rather than pushing them hard and potentially ending up with someone less distinct like Taliyah or Kled.

WORDSLING3R2 votes

The new items are pretty sweet, but I don't feel that I've been done a favor as a support main. The assassin changes, especially stealth/camo, combined with the ward changes have resulted in me getting ganked and instantly deleted by junglers who were standing on top of a sightstone that can no longer see them. Obviously it's on me to adapt to that, but the fact that my primary gold item no longer does its chief job of protecting me from an invading jungler has me feeling that the new items just balance things out.

Others are free to disagree of course, but I personally strongly disagree with the idea that I benefited more from preseason than any other role.

HazyCloud71 votes

The assassin changes are mostly a nerf, with a few exceptions. Most of them are in a really bad spot at the moment. Talon/Katarina/Akali are sitting at the bottom 4 win rates for mid lane, and In Katarina's case I don't think all of that can be attributed to increases in skill floor. If not support, then certainly divers/tanks who now have access to courage of the colossus.

I sympathize with you on the sightstone/stealth thing though. I'm not a fan of the new changes to stealth, or stealth at all for that matter.

Thanks for stating your opinion so politely.

WORDSLING3R2 votes

Yeah it's mostly Rengar I'm hating. Though I guess on the bright side (for supports feeling as I do) most of the Rengar mains I've seen hate his rework too.

Perhaps it's because I play mostly mage/more ranged supports (like Nami and Lulu) that I haven't been able to fully appreciate the imbalance in the mastery change. I've heard a lot of groaning over colossus but I haven't played Braum (my main tankier support) enough to see what everyone's screaming to nerf ^_^

SwordOfWar1 votes

^ With Knights Vow, CotC, and Face now shielding yourself+1, its a hell of a time to pick melee support.

Handy Sandy 7 votes

what if Camille IS a support?? :O

Jubiance23 votes

Ill take you to buffalo wild wings if she turns out to be a support

JQKAndrei10 votes

Dude, the blades are used to heal, isn't that obvious?

Spice POWAH2 votes

yeah, and she scales off of movement speed and health regen too!

Chatillon3 votes

Dude, the blades are on her heels, isn't that obvious

A Doorknob5 votes

Try Aatrox. He's a strong support. Knock up+slow+life reg+ 2 steroids and a revive! Too strong man.

Ralanr5 votes

Idk. When are we getting another tank? Tahm Kench was the last tank and he wasn't designed to fully solo lane.

I'd like a new top lane tank soon.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

same. the last tank was zac. 3 years ago. 2013 release

now hes a jungler. before him. was Nautlius. we can argue that hes a top laner or support works both

before him. Sejuani

but the last undisputed top lane tank was maokai released 5 years ago.

Xonra1 votes

I'm assuming you guys are joking or trolling saying Tahm isn't a tank <_< Maybe you don't understand what a "tank" is. He builds tank, is a front liner, absorbs damage and peels. He couldn't be more of a tank unless they gave him treads and a big cannon on his head.

Braum is a tank.

Also you are wrong about Mao, as he was released as a jungler, not a top laner. Most top laner tanks (that were released as top laners, or "solo" laners technically in some cases) have moved to other roles.

Leona was actually supposed to be a top laner, not a support on release. Taric was actually supposed to be a top laner (just look at his old ult). Blitz was designed and released to be a solo laner. Alistar was supposed to be a jungler and was in season 2 (granted he was but Riot hates it with a passion).

VERY few champs that are tanks were every meant to 100% go top.

Singed is the only "tank" I can think of that was meant to not be a jungler or support on release, but he was more an awkward mage to be fair than a tank.

Chembaron Yamada5 votes

They don't say Tahm Kench and Braum are not tanks. What they want is a solo lane tank designed for the top lane. Tahm Kench and Braum doesn't fit, because their kit isn't actually designed to solo lane, but with a partner (aka bot lane).

JQKAndrei3 votes

Tahm works perfectly fine as a solo laner. Just watch korean soloq

ShaolinToilet4 votes

Isn't kled kind of a tank

Wráthful10 votes

just has a bunch of hp he is just a diver not a tank

Chembaron Yamada10 votes

Why downvote? He is actually right. Kled is a diver, not a tank. You wouldn't call Vi a tank, just because she has her passive shield, would you?

Ralanr3 votes

I think he's more of a skirmisher.

But the point is that he isn't a tank.

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Skirmishers are a subclass of slayers, though.... which mostly are pretty squishy, unlike Kled. Like Ekko, they frequently jump in and out of fights. And Kled's primary role is fighter, if we assume that Riot was having their own subclass system in mind, it should be he is one of the fighter subclasses: Juggernaut or Diver.

He clearly isn't a Juggernaut, he can stick really well. And his playstyle just screams Diver for me.... Diver are fighters, who have strong engage, can tank a bit and deal damage. Meanwhile their ability to disengage is really low. That is Kled 100%, he can engage incredibly well, but he struggles actually getting away from fights. He stays in the fight until he or his enemy is dead.

Ralanr3 votes

I think he's a skirmisher because Skaarl is his defensive mechanic (which skirmishers are known for) and his E basically allows melee kiting.

Though he does have many similarities with divers.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

My only problem with classifying him as a Diver is....he really sucks at that job without flanking or using his ult. Every other diver has a reliable way to....dive (outside of Aatrox) and ALSO has reliable CC to stay in there (Jax E, Xin Q, Irelia E, etc.). Kled E is rather short range and actually doesn't keep you in range if you don't hit the target you want (accidently clip support first) and Q is also not as reliable as an actual form of CC such as a knock up or stun since it isn't too hard to break the link (half the ADC roster has a way to get out of it with dashes or knockbacks).

Ralanr2 votes

Hence why he's probably a skirmisher.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Made the effort to look at Kled's reveal article and it actually gets mentioned that he is a Skirmisher.

Case closed, you were right the whole time, I was wrong. Sorry for starting all that. ^^ (Even though the point that discussion started still holds: he is not a tank)

Muddafragot1 votes

Illaoi tf is wrong with you all?

Ralanr5 votes

I don't know, why don't you tell me, Miss Juggernaut.

Muddafragot1 votes

She's got a lot of health and can take a lot of damage. That's a tank, rito tacking on a subsection to the role doesn't change what it is.

Ralanr5 votes

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She's got a lot of health and can take a lot of damage. That's a tank, rito tacking on a subsection to the role doesn't change what it is.

Hahahahaha

No it isn't. A tank is more than just a meat wall. She lacks the utility to actually be a tank for her team. Illaoi is a tanky damage threat, tanky==tank.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

Illaoi cannot start fights or lockdown opponents. She can't keep people from running away from her so she can do her ult.

She's a juggernaut which is a subclass of fighter.

EcchiOtakuTM6 votes

Tanks have heavy hard CC...

Jubiance1 votes

You got Illaoi...?

Ralanr4 votes

She's not a tank. She's a juggernaut.

Muddafragot1 votes

Same difference.

Ralanr2 votes

Nnnnnooooooppppppeeeee.

mr Boombastic7871 votes

I also hope for a new tank or juggernaut (for top lane). I did not enjoy Illaoi and Kled that much and would like someone as fun to play as Maokai Shen Sion Trundle. I really like the new Yorick and TahmKench though!

Ralanr1 votes

Actually I hope the next juggernaut we get is more of a jungler.

mr Boombastic7871 votes

That would be nice, I Think the only juggernaut we have for the jungle is Shyvana (plz correct me if I'm wrong) I don't play jungle that much anymore so I would like one for top

AuraCreed3 votes

TBH It makes sense - after the mage update we got Sol, and after the Assassin update Camille (if she IS an assassin - she certainly sounds like one). After they came out with their thoughts on Supports and the 4 weeks test to see if people WOULD play support, they probably won't make another support til they iron out those issues and then when they feel it's decent come out with a support that'll benefit from them.

ragnos2393 votes

You're mixing up support and jungle as comparable things. Jungle is a position/lane, support is not. That's why you have things like tank jungle, melee carry jungle, ap jungle, etc. So in this case yes, Ivern counts as a support. He's just a support who lanes in the jungle and roams places other than bot. Now, the support role does have subclasses. Tank support, poke support, heal support, etc. But support doesn't dictate that a champion has to be bot lane with an ADC. It just means they're more utility focused and/or are going to focus on supporting a teammate.

ShaolinToilet7 votes

When you are in role selection you get "support" and on the map it tells you to go bot Lane. Pretty sure this means support is a role.

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