as a mage you have to buy mana and mana is expensive. then why is there a item that can give the user a free shield, magic resist and damage and on top of that if you upgrade it to maw it give also more lifesteal and damage...... what the actual fuck.
PhearBunny5 votesHexdrinker is a bad item, as it breaks an assassins or bruisers momentum. Whereas your MPen item builds into Morellos which is actually a useful and pretty much mandatory item.
Duescorpion2 votesits doesnt give me mana so il be manaless in a few minutes.
A Kniƒe Cat4 votesExcept nearly every mage buys one or more of these 
and/or takes manaflow band
Ragnaveil1 votes"Lost Chapter is too expensive, pls lower its cost" Yeah right, the reason why its priced so high (and should be priced even higher but lower combine cost for it and any item it builds into) is the fact it restores 20% of your mana- wait, let me read the fine print, "Upon leveling up, restores 20% of your maximum mana over 3 seconds" Yep, totally pales in comparison to a simple 20 AD 35 MR item that has a 110-280 health magic shield and needs buffs to get close to the "mountain" of a difference they have between them.
And mages want another mpen item (that builds like how Dirk does with leth items mind you) with how fucking insane void is ATM, and still possessing boots that give the stat for basically free? Sheesh.
Daddy Ants5 votesHere comes the self entitled mage train.
D357R0Y3R3 voteshahaha
same
I said it anyway the boards is a majority of mage and bruiser mains by far
Ćount Kledula3 votes gives AP and 300 mana, alongside with 10% CDR and 20% free maximum mana whenever you level up, all for 1300 gold, same cost as hexdrinker
literally 15 magic pen on top of the ap, alongside with 200 HP from it for 1500 gold. which shuts down hexdrinker
what are you high on?
Duescorpion2 votesreally, so i get 20 ap and 300 mana with 10% CDR and 20% free maximum mana against a hexdrinker wich negates that damage all together. Amazing so now i basicly only bought mana to farm...
ow and the other for 1500 ! to negate hexdrinker but i cant buy it cause i need mana to also farm against a manaless champion that can spam his abilities. i dont know it seems hexdrinker feels alot better cause who doesnt want a free shield when you get low so you can survive that poke i shoot your way.
ValyrianBlade1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ćount Kledula,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z6aHdecU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-23T17:16:32.763+0000)
what are you high on?
The AD lane opponent can build hexdrinker long before the AP laner can build Oblivion orb... what are you high on?
SwiftKitten881 voteswhile i agree hexdrinker is an issue.. escpally when compared to 
which is an absolute shit item for defence
compare to the other shit we have to deal with.. its hardly even worth bringing up at this point.
obvoiusly the argument is if they are going armor pen they only way to combat that, is to buy which would put u behind as a mage who needs mana to clear, in help thats you would not die during laning phase and alst long enough for you to finish 
to surive the all in.
this will allow you to surive an all in.. but it means yur going to get behind in CS as they can easily freeze the wave under thier tower, and you cant reset to wave wihout using mana which u cant afford to spend wihout a mana regen item
the other option in to forget about the armor and skip seekers and grab mana and damage as u normally would vs another ap mid.
this means u will have spells to fight them but no defenses.
its a lose/ lose sitation for the mage until they get thier AND thier mana item.
which gives the AD champ a compete advantage until that point were the mage finish those 2 items.
for the AD champ though its a different story
by getting 
they guarantee they have the advatnage early game.
but the mage will outscale them.. so if they cant take advantage and actually get the kill, as soon as the mage finishes and thier mana item.. then all the AD champ really did was put theself behind.
building Hexdrinker instantly giove u the early gave vs any mage.. but it comes at the cost of... taking an item slot.. and by mid game that advatnage will be mostly gone.. so u have to use it. and most.
overall its still clearly the better option. compared to what AP has but since you have to be good enough to get the kill with it and use the advantage.
most people would rather opt into going to "get my full build as quickly as possible" because if they build and DON'T get ahead is going to be a time where the AD has and one and a half items.. and the mage has and thier mana item.. then they mage will have the advantage until the AD gets the 2nd item.
what does is go
" ok you have the advatnage now, but if u dont use it, your going to fall behind"
and most people who are new or in lower elo cant use the advantage properly and just stick to building thier core items becuase using while being a free win item for the easily game... also means they have to be good and snowball off that.. and most new players or lower elo players arn't good enough to snowball off the lead it gives becuase it required u to have the game knoweldge to punish the mage's lack of mana pool and deny them.
and in this meta where you just pick the most broken shit and abuse it... people dont really spend the time to learn how to do that anymore.
Daddy Ants2 voteswhile i agree hexdrinker is an issue.. escpally when compared to
weak?
1100 gold item that provides enough armor when stacked to completely cancel out the lethality on both 
and 
Seekers gives way too much for how little it costs.
But hey, 1100 gold making 5,800 gold worth of Lethality items irrelevant means the items weak.
AirKingNeo1 votesLethality items still have AD and they force the opponent to have to buy armor to block the Lethality/AD out.
Your thinking is backwards.
SwiftKitten881 votes
1100 gold item that provides enough armor when stacked to completely cancel out the lethality on both
Seekers gives way too much for how little it costs.
But hey, 1100 gold making 5,800 gold worth of Lethality items irrelevant means the items weak.
... becuase all you are looking at is the "lethality" does it cancel out the lethality yes it does...
but your lethality item give you MORE than just "lethality"
they give u everything u want for said champion...
if we rush it means we dont get mana.
its really that simple
if u have a not only do u get the base mr.. which just like "armor cancels out lethality" that base MR canels out not only our
it also give u the shield that will save your ass throughout the entire game.. which is infinity more useful than a shitting scaling
we didnt freaking buy to "counter lethality" we BUILT IT to TRY TO GET SOME FREAKING DEFENSIVES
"lethality and armor pen have zeor reason is who why we would build it.
we dont have a freaking option.
there IS no other choice for AP and armor. NONE.. thats it...
and all building it does it put us further behind becuase it delays the mana items we would need.
"armor donest counter lethality"...
lethality counters armor, my god its fucking called "ARMOR PENETRATION",, be its very definition its DEFEATS ARMOR
i am building defensive... if your building an item that is ignoring the defenses i bought that's YOU countering US.
AirKingNeo1 votesSeeker's is a scaling item.
Hexdrinker is an early game item.
Stop making me repeat basic concepts to show you why the comparison sucks.
AirKingNeo1 votesas a mage your 1300 gold item comes with mana, AP, CDR, and mana restore AND BUILDS INTO A GOOD ITEM
Hexdrinker doesn't give mana and builds into a shit item.
Ragnaveil1 votesas a mage you have to buy mana and mana is expensive. then why is there a item that can give the user a free shield, magic resist and damage
Man, must be hard to shell the same amount of money as an assassin does for Hex, to get this "expensive" mana item that basically will service you for the rest of the lane phase compared to the bandaid magic resist item who's shield procs on a certain condition and has a low base shield.
on top of that if you upgrade it to maw it give also more lifesteal and damage
Hmmm, last I checked, the "lifesteal" is tied to the effect of when you are below 30% HP. They ain't getting it for free.