The Death of Shaco

Brohammer53·Oct 25, 2016·19 votes·1,454 views

Shaco gets kicked to death and thrown into a gutter when he was completely fine beforehand. I was excited for the Shaco changes, not anymore.

--Ult is a joke, boxes need two seconds to go invisible and a box can take one hit before it dies. When one dies they all die. Insult to injury, they don't even do as much damage as normal W boxes. --Scaling is alright but nerfed on new E and Q. They did however gut the abilities' base damage and functions. --Q is essentially a flash, since there is pretty much no invisibility time, and it's on a longer cooldown. --Passive is terrible in comparison to the old one. --Boxes can not be stacked

He was already an early game to mid game champion, and now he doesn't even have that. Is there any part of Shaco that Riot didn't run through a meat grinder?

23 Comments

The WhamboozlerOct 26, 20168 votes

Riot balance squad... nerfing underpicked junglers that already fall off and giving new toys to the overpicked pubstompers that snowball outta control.

inplaneOct 26, 20167 votes

That Q is legit pathetic. If a Shaco ever tries to gank me with that shit, I would straight up target him and explode him before he can even attack.

Darth Pixy MisaOct 25, 20164 votes

I agree, how can you half Shaco's damage when champs like Graves and Lee Sin are out there? How does Shaco keep these champs out of his jungle with those skill numbers?

AmazingStormmOct 26, 20161 votes

He doesn't He doesnt't even enter his own jungle, he's still in the fountain.

lolipopevelynnOct 26, 20164 votes

im just going to copy paste this in all the shaco threads rather than repeat myself and so that people actually get a clue:

people are playing him wrong. they are playing the new shaco exactly the same as old shaco, which is understandable if its a habit from being a shaco main. i understand. but dont say something is bad when you are playing it COMPLETELY wrong. for example, you dont max E on new shaco, you max Q first now. so many people are getting that wrong. even when play testers who new to shaco are asking "what do i max first on shaco?" people are still saying max E. NO, you do NOT max E on new shaco. you are fucking yourself hard by doing this because his Q scales pretty hard with his passive now.

3rd, people are not actually taking advantaged of the Q amp + backstab damage. again, this is just an old habbit where people expect to get good Q damage regardless of if its a backstab or not. this is not the case anymore, the only way Q will deal good damage is if you use it in conjunctionn with his backstab passive.

i wont say new shaco doesnt need a few number buffs here and there, but its hard to take someone seriously when they make a judgement on something while at the same time playing it completely wrong... its like when they changed swain. people were still maxing E first out of habit and it took riot like 3 patches to tell them to STOP doing it.

shaclone is no different. if you watch the video more closely he doesnt take advantage of backstabbing with his Q, even on minions he neglects to do this. ive been watching shaclones vids and his stream for awhile now and he honestly gets blinded by his raging. he doesnt fucking think when he is in full rage mode. go to 16:55 in the video to see exactly what im talking about when he rages about the "Q damage". he completely misses the backstab entirely... no shit its not going to do dmg. its like not using LB Q, kat Q, or akali Q and saying the rest of their abilities does no dmg. Q is meant to be used in combination with backstab now.

Teridax68Oct 26, 20161 votes

This. I did not expect Riot to have to explicitly tell Swain players to stop maxing E first on him post-update, and it just goes to show old habits die hard.

ff4skOct 26, 20161 votes

There was never a "Right" way to play shaco dumbfuck. shaco was versatile, you could build him however you want depending on the situation.

Riot took away that flexibility, took away all his damage, and gave him jack shit to work with.

windwhispersOct 26, 20163 votes

Good job Riot, ruining things that aren't even good instead of fixing your broke ass game

WarpesOct 26, 20163 votes

Honestly don't understand why they couldn't just fix his boxes and then leave him the fuck alone...

DrugsForRobotsOct 26, 20162 votes

What kills me is that his guranteed crit on his Q was perfect for his Q! Also, his passive now critically strikes every 3 seconds for 120% (scaling as he levels), right? Isn't this just another way of saying he deals 20%+ more damage from behind? So he loses the guaranteed crit on Q, as a way of gating his Backstab bonus damage?!? That's exactly what it is, right?

Edit: This is what I tried to show Riot.

VerdadeOct 26, 20161 votes

No, crit every 3 seconds is WORSE than flat 20% damage increase. Why?

on-hits (Statikk, LB, TF)
E

Also, shaco builds quite a bit AS, making his automatic critical pretty weak if it has 3s CD

lolipopevelynnOct 26, 20161 votes

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No, crit every 3 seconds is WORSE than flat 20% damage increase. Why?

on-hits (Statikk, LB, TF)

E

Also, shaco builds quite a bit AS, making his automatic critical pretty weak if it has 3s CD

even with his old passive, he is not going to hit someone more than twice in the back. 3 times maybe, but any more than that and they would have to be a vegetable.

VerdadeOct 27, 20161 votes

Actually, he can backstab very often. E could backstab, procs can, and most importantly, his clone can. Also remember shaco has highest base AS in game, so his dps scales extremely well with items

Only Play DariusOct 26, 20162 votes

I don't see what the point of the rework is for, if Shaco is going to get work done it either needs to be a complete rework or minor tweaks, this feels like an awkward spot in between and change for the sake of change (especially the gimmicks like that triple box drop). Then again I have never played Shaco so I probably don't know what i'm talking about

TeemoXNidaleeOct 25, 20161 votes

They should change the passive to just bonus damage instead of being a crit and make it work with his E. Making deceive cooldown start on cast instead of when you break the inv is also a good buff.

DugongOct 25, 20161 votes

RIOT please watch the video, keep Shaco the same and get rid of the plants!

The Yetii RiderOct 26, 20161 votes

He admits in the video that he should have maxed Q first. He was also building AS instead of AD. Not much of an example.

6SfoolOct 26, 20161 votes

The cancer is fading. We're all in remission. I hate that champ so much every time i take a squishy jungler, and I can expect to die 3 times before I can get a full clear. He really needs a full rework, since right now there's no real counterplay. You can deal with him with infinite wards and building tanky, but dealing with him is not the same thing.

Only Play DariusOct 26, 20163 votes

But this isn't a full rework, it's half-assed changes. Being as old as he is i'm surprised they didn't throw him into the overhaul group and make it a big 5

6SfoolOct 26, 20161 votes

Agreed. I'm hoping that they didn't make him one of the major reworks because they are going to go more in-depth at a later date.

Dark WarriorOct 26, 20161 votes

F.ucking RIOT m quitting this game, thanks for ruining my champion GL and I hope this company get shutdown n beg for players

Sire HippingtonOct 26, 20161 votes

The ult actually is a buff, it didn't get any nerfs, it just gained the boxes on top of what it already did.

The E also isn't a that bad spot, The 8% missing health shouldn't be underestimated.

The Q damage however is a heavy nerf, the passive is a clear nerf, boxes not beeing stacked honestly is a perfectly fine change and really needed for gamehealth.

However, you forgot an important nerf: Base AS down from 0.694(HIGHEST base as value of the game) to 0.625(prettymuch lowest AS in the game with few exeptions like mmorde or caitlyn). Thats a 10% reduction of his total AS. For A champion that mostly funktions over AAs and from all assasins is most focused on dps and quite close to an meleecarry(his ult is actually a massive AA-steroid, same with the old passive), loosing out 10% AA dps is quite a big deal. And his CSing in lane(yes some people play him in lane) feels horrible now.

DarkRitualOct 26, 20161 votes

"completely fine" Literally only a Shaco player would say that. His kit, while not broken previously, was definately not super healthy either. I do agree his new kit just looks super bleh now. Definately not the sorts of changes I would have made.