Wait so Tanks get neutered and ADCs get tons of items to deal with tanks?

Cether·10/30/2015, 8:12:43 PM·5 votes·713 views

Tank items got nerfed across the board. Armor effectiveness went down, cost went up, hp went down. At the same time many tanks got base nerfs as well. So stats went down, item effectiveness went down, cost went up. This ended, very swiftly, the meta of effective tanks and brought back assassins and dps focused comps.

Now, you're buffing marksman stats, buffing AD items, and giving them a ton of bonus passives to deal with people hitting them while dealing additional free damage. You're already fked playing a tank. I guess we're just putting the final nail in the coffin eh? Guess I'll only support from now on, until that gets wrecked again. Because if you wanna play a class that isn't based around OMGBIGNUMBERS#SOLOLIFT prepare to get shat on by the balance team.

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GetMariahCarried10/30/2015, 10:31:14 PM2 votes

I do agree with you on one point: They really shouldn't be nerfing tank items if they're changing glass cannons so much. Not yet. We need to see how these NEW itemizations interact with and counter RECENT item additions. Tanks have been declared a bit broken lately. But a tank nerf may be totally unnecessary with all these new glass cannon avenues incoming.

However, your assessment of the changes feels too deja vu to me, and not in a good way. Honestly, I see people rage out at minor changes just as much as they rage out about HUGE changes like this one. I think at a certain point Rito said, "screw it, we'll do what we want."

First, Riot introduced some major fighter-tank itemizations that are amazing but broken at times, and some people were pissed about that. But, ultimately, it made fighters more entertaining to play. NOT because fighters were suddenly broken, but because fighters had a larger set of effective options available to them. Now, Riot introduces a bunch of glass cannon itemizations that are amazing, but likely broken, and other people are pissed about that. Every time Riot introduces something cool and empowering, but, as a result, PROBABLY broken at the start, there are plenty of people that are gonna get pissed and say "quit touching my stuff!" Well, it's not your stuff. It's Riot's, and they don't even try to play the game of pleasing everyone.

In the long haul, pleasing everyone all the time is impossible ANYWAY. With small changes, there are ALWAYS people saying "it's too little" and heck, ALSO people saying "it's too much". With large changes, same deal. If game popularity doesn't go down with a change, and the changes ARE cool and empowering, Riot has no reason to fear the inevitable disappointments that will ensue. Ultimately, these changes will likely keep MORE people around, because it opens up cool avenues for certain players. Not EVERY player, because again, Riot can't please every player at once.

Face it. They did this with tanks, mages, and AP fighters recently (luden's, sterak's, rab buffs, deadman's plate, yada yada.) It was bound to happen with ad glass cannons next.

As a side note, some of these items are used on AD fighter tanks as well, so, ironically, we MIGHT be getting slight buffs to AD fighter tanks through these changes (Skarner with the new trinity could be even more annoying, for instance.) That could explain some of the tank nerfs. But maybe I'm reaching here. Tank nerfs do bother me. I've seen enough tanks melted like chocolate on a Summer day in the face of certain ADC's as it is. Doesn't seem like ADC's need a helping hand.

Ralanr10/30/2015, 8:16:26 PM1 votes

Oh hey, there's a resolve (defense) mastery that drains 3% of your max health percentage from your enemy's health and gives it to you.

Ain't that interesting.

NoBootsAllowed10/30/2015, 8:17:08 PM1 votes

hahahahaha no more malphite with only frozen mallet pressing R on tfs and never die

JoJo NA 10/30/2015, 8:20:43 PM1 votes

Instead of bringing everyone up to the same level, they are taking the guys at the top and nerfing them while taking the guys that were "behind" and buffing them way past the point the previously "op" guys were at. Riot doesn't care about balance. At this point they are just letting every role get a chance to stomp for a while, and then nerfing them to the ground. It wont be long after the ADC buff that they will be nerfed again and then supports will receive a huge buff.

Oopsie Bear10/30/2015, 8:27:55 PM1 votes

For starters, this is still the PBE. But to expand upon your point, yes, tanks are going to struggle again. ADC's will most likely be very powerful, and the updated AD items will bring back champions like zed and zix, as well as putting more power in the hands of riven and fiora (maybe we'll even see yi) to keep adc's from getting out of hand. When you utilize the same set of items its pretty difficult to empower adc's without empowering AD assassins

LordGeovanni10/31/2015, 1:48:01 AM1 votes

kogmaw is now a item 3153 item 3085 champion with 5 attacks for persecond max and its own built in % max hp damage on the w and 8% current hp damage