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Give wukong his q back please

aeroteck··24 votes·7,083 views

I normally don't have any real problem with how riot nerfs or buffs a champion but this change is ludicrous. You guys nerf the base ad and ad ratio of wukong's q in 8.16, his winrate dropped by a solid 8%, he became a tier 5 champion in all 3 roles he's played and riot comes back in 8.17 planning to buff him like this- "Attack speed increased from .658 to .711" YOU'RE JOKING RIGHT? HOW IS THIS GOING TO COMPENSATE IN ANYWAY FOR ALL THAT LOST AD. You're not changing him into an autoattack carry, there is no tank stats or sustain in his kit. This "buff" literally doesn't do ANYTHING. You might as well just have gotten rid of him now. I'm so upset over these nerfs in the first place. wukong hasn't been touched for the longest time and just because some random dude in the EUW LCS played in mid ONCE INTO A WINNING LANE and somehow won, he's marked as "OP" so now riot has to nerf him. If you ask any wukong player what kind of brutal laning phase he has in the top lane, they wouldn't even be able to describe it. He has no business trading whatsoever with any meta toplaner that's a bruiser, tank, and even most fighters. In any elo where the players have hands and eyes, he will get destroyed. The amount of bs he has to go through to achieve that so called "burst damage threshold" is more than enough to justify the burst damage in his kit. I want to know exactly how riot plans to ACTUALLY compensate because a "Attack speed increase from .658 to .711" is an actual joke. If riot doesn't plan on making any actual changes to make up for how hard they destroyed my champion, im sadly going to have to move onto a different game. I really like league and have spent a lot of time on it but nerfing a champion i have spent so much time on just destroys the game for me. I relate so much to how tyler1 said he would quit the game only if "They nerfed draven before they nerfed any other champion" Any sensible riot balance person would know just HOW GARBAGE wukong was EVEN BEFORE THE NERF. Go watch LS's review on the patch 8.16 rundown, to quote him on how he viewed wukong, "Riot took a garbage can champion and lit him on fire". PLEASE. HELP. ME. Like. BEcause of this change i literally have problems sleeping at night. The game has been ruined for me and i really want to hear riot tell me they're going to fix THE CHAMPION INSTEAD OF THIS "Attack speed increased from .658 to .711" BS.

59 Comments

HungryAngry2SPP28 votes

Oh no! Your high skill expressive champ with skillshots (so it's fair to play againt him) can't one shot people anymore? How sad. ... Alexa, play despacito

Anyway, he is a jungler, that can be played top if you re masochist. (Heck, he is even played in mid sometimes. "bUt raNGed CHamPs caN pOkE him DOWn" but then WU presses 2 buttons, and the enemy is at 50%) He has unavoidable "combo", that is empowered by stupid items like item 3147 item 3095 AS buff was for JG, and trust me, it's really big

Moody P3 votes

muh skillshot

Abysswalker5 votes

You're not funny btw, rather cringey

Respect the guy or just stfu

HungryAngry2SPP4 votes

Read your own comment and tell me? Was it funny? No (btw) Was it cringy? You can bet it was

Respect the guy or just stfu

I won't even comment this.

Abysswalker1 votes

it wasn't supposed to be funny lol

the way you commented is just provocative

HungryAngry2SPP3 votes

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it wasn't supposed to be funny lol

Neither my comment

the way you commented is just provocative

Yeah, a little

Abysswalker2 votes

perhaps i over-reacted, i don't know

i apologize.

HungryAngry2SPP2 votes

It's O-K! :)

EdwardsReformed1 votes

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Oh no! Your high skill expressive champ with skillshots (so it's fair to play againt him) can't one shot people anymore? How sad. ... Alexa, play despacito

Anyway, he is a jungler, that can be played top if you re masochist. (Heck, he is even played in mid sometimes. "bUt raNGed CHamPs caN pOkE him DOWn" but then WU presses 2 buttons, and the enemy is at 50%) He has unavoidable "combo", that is empowered by stupid items like item 3147 item 3095 AS buff was for JG, and trust me, it's really big

His place is at the top. Been playing him top for 5 seasons now. He can be played top or jungle and sometimes mid. I don't think that should change. If riot wants to force him into one role it should be top not jungle. "My place is at the top" must remain true.

HungryAngry2SPP1 votes

If rito wants him to be a top laner he should get some sustain, and or a passive

iDarkWind16 votes

Don't get me wrong, but if Wukong is performing well, it always means that he will simply one shot you without give you time to react because he comes out of no where with inivisibility. His Q sinergy with Duskblade, Stormrazor and Trinity Force is just pure cancer, and as squishy champion you can't do anything. On top of that, he would one shot you without using his ultimate most of the times unless you're tanky. Never such champion should be allowed to perform very good. You guys complain about assassins a lot, that monkey was doing their job but better and contributed with an AoE knock up ultimate to the team fights.

Amethyst Ashe13 votes

And I just want to point out that wukong is not an assassin. He should not be able to one shot you.

iDarkWind4 votes

Exactly, I just can't take anyone seriously when they expect such champion to be in a good state with such kit and sinergy with many items.

IIIJustinIII13 votes

R.I.P harambe You will not be forgotten MonkeyKing

sinZsoul8 votes

There's a couple things I would like to say in response to your post and you might not like what I'm saying. A lot of the points in your post aren't entirely true or they're based off sources that don't know the full story either.

It wasn't just the q Nerf, it was the q Nerf, e Nerf, and rune changes combined that destroyed wukong over these few patches.

It also wasn't because some eulcs player started playing him that they nerfed him. Although that did help bring attention to him, the main reason is because he became the highest winrate champion for mid lane and the winrate was obnoxiously high like 55%-56% or something. That's including the fact that his playrate was increasing. Another big reason was because he was not fun to play against. There wasn't much counterplay against his kit since you just kinda died anytime he went in.

I'm not sure exactly why LS called Wu a garbage can champion. I feel like it's just simply because LS's reviews are tailored towards pro play rather than solo queue. You could argue that Wu was garbage in pro, but I think he was more underutilized. In any case, regardless of what LS calls him, he's wasn't garbage until this patch.

To give some background on Wu that might contextualize why they're increasing attack speed, Wu was originally designed as a bruiser. You built health and ad. However, it became apparent (pretty early on actually I think by season 3) that it was better to build triforce and straight ad on him to one shot people. That changed to lethality when it came out and basically resulted in the meta assassin build. Rito never did anything to correct this because Wu wasn't that strong of a champ in any case and not enough people complained about him. I say this to make clear two points: Wu has been an assassin for ages now, but rito still somewhat thinks of him as a bruiser. The attack speed buff is stupid, but falls in line with the original design of the champion.

I want to make clear all this to make sure the Nerf is properly contextualized. I get the feeling that you're saying rito submerged your house in water because your smoke alarm tripped, but it's more like your whole house was on fire and that was the fastest and easiest way for them to put it out.

Wife In Lantern7 votes

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MrFawknSunshine13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wife In Lantern,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YpGdN3iE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-26T07:55:12.535+0000)

Dude i made a post about this just a few days ago. Riot is starting a holocaust for wukong players i guess. Out we go

you refer to nerfing a champ to one of the worst genocides in history ? wow ... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Sexy Fish Boi2 votes

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MrFawknSunshine1 votes

not here to argue which genocide of whos people was worst. that isnt the point. the point is all genocide is bad and for the OP to compare whatever their point was to a genocide is wrong

mack91121 votes

And everyone who replied to your thread said the exact same thing. Wukong lacks counterplay and has very little skill expression out of 100 to 0 someone immediately out of stelth.

ValiantKiller6 votes

Wish it only top lane but look at him in jungle even. Udyr destroy him and zone him out easily same goes for Warwick and Shyvana etc

And for mid all ranged champions able to play safe and zone him out as well special Malzahar .

But yah right, how the hell wukong beat yasuo in world event lets nerf him toground.

And right all of this problem came once they released the stupid item 3095

momobuns6 votes

Lol tfw all ppl do on league threads is whine and cry about how they think riot is ruining league by simply changing the game around here and there that will literally change again a few patches later. Learn to play a different champ or maybe learn to play wukong despite the fact that he's no longer a brainless one shot champion. Or just quit the game lol they're not gonna suddenly stop nerfing and buffing champions just cause a few ppl cry about it when their champions are no longer broken. I honestly can't understand why ppl get so livid just cause Riot is trying to keep things fluid in the game so that champions rotate in flux of what you wanna play. They want people to be diverse in their champs. Just get over it cause they're not gonna change it back just cause a few ppl are bitching

Kha Zíx Main5 votes

Never thought he was strong dont know why riot nerfed him sorry buddy [zombie-nunu-tears]

ValiantKiller4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kha Zíx Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YpGdN3iE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-26T07:58:53.961+0000)

Never thought he was strong dont know why riot nerfed him sorry buddy [zombie-nunu-tears]

Cause a pro player took him in lcs and beat the hell out of their flashy stupid designed Yasuo . Cause low elo can't put damn wards and play around him, cause the whole meta is focused about building squishy damage team without any tank or bruiser or juggernaut that can deal with him so they give him 5 squishy combo then say it his problem.

First Stár Jinx1 votes
  1. Yasuo can't fight what he can't see. Speaking of...
  2. Wards are useless against true invisibility. If Wukong is coming at you, he'll most of the time bypass a ward because he was invisible and close the gap with E.
ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radiant Anarchy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YpGdN3iE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T02:21:00.952+0000)

  1. Yasuo can't fight what he can't see. Speaking of...
  2. Wards are useless against true invisibility. If Wukong is coming at you, he'll most of the time bypass a ward because he was invisible and close the gap with E.

But again Akali w right now is perfect fine special with nothing able to get her aside from aoe. And ward maybe won't work against him but sure a control ward would ruin his life forever like how it ruin eve, shaco, etc. special he short range hide not like them.

TrikzterzArma5 votes

Wukong should not be in the meta until he gets reworked. There's literally no counter to him when he is in a good state

Shukr4n4 votes

Ok but dont point out the childish "if uu dont do it i quit"

It s obvious they look for the big picture and not you. So they go for the big money more than for community

aeroteck3 votes

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Ok but dont point out the childish "if uu dont do it i quit"

It s obvious they look for the big picture and not you. So they go for the big money more than for community

I just hate how riot guts him after 3 seasons of not touching him and now he gets 1 speck of off meta lcs play hes BROKEN RIGHT

Amethyst Ashe2 votes

Have you not been paying attention to high ranking players that have been abusing him? As pointed out in other posts, wukong is not an assassin. He should not one shot people.

PsychoWhite3 votes

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I just hate how riot guts him after 3 seasons of not touching him and now he gets 1 speck of off meta lcs play hes BROKEN RIGHT

3 seasons ago you couldn't combine Stormrazor, Duskblade and TriForce for a massive 1 shot combo on a fighter. When riot makes Stormrazor a ranged only item that Zed Rengar Wu Shaco Yi can't abuse you can get your ad buff back, okay? My Azir got 4 nerfs in a row that made him worse than pre rework, and you complain because you can't one shot anymore(? I'm pretty sure you still can).

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I just hate how riot guts him after 3 seasons of not touching him and now he gets 1 speck of off meta lcs play hes BROKEN RIGHT

... you mean after V8.6

Stats
    Attack damage growth increased to 4 from 3.2. 
Crushing Blow Crushing Blow
    AD ratio increased to 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50% AD from 10% AD at all ranks.

this... yes

your right.. they should NEVER have touched him if you want to revert back to your 8.5 by all means we'll cheer you on

why the hell do u think he BECAME problem

or are u just choosing to ignore this? he lost 10% at rank 1 of his q.. at rank 2 its the same.. my rank 3 4 and 5 its double tripped and quadrupled its old ratio.

yes compared to the last patch its a nerf. wukon was one of the most busted champion in the game last patch.. THATS WHY THEY NERFED HIM

like its been said by every other freaking person in the thread.... he could 100/0 you from strength with zero counterplay

and why do u think he was "suddenly" able to do this? item 3095 and the 8.6 patch

you want a revert.. by all means iI would GLADLY give you your 8.5 revert.

but if you think its "OK" for him to exists in the state he was last patch.. you're delusional

IPOeFTQWz64 votes

funny thing he is not getting buffed. sure he ll get that insignificant attack speed buff but dusk will get nerfed which greatly affects him.

000Z33 votes

Wukong needed a Nerf cry me a river Zoe got gutted 5 patches in a row, six soon.

scibblenaught3 votes

Yeah, cause Zoe has been pick/ban for 3 patches in a row for high elo/pro play. Probably a sign she needs a nerf

KrptonGuy2 votes

Reminds me of that 1 mana change on kassadin LOL

DartExplosion106 votes

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Reminds me of that 1 mana change on kassadin LOL

they made his w cost 1 mana to stack tear

Wife In Lantern1 votes

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they made his w cost 1 mana to stack tear

Exactly. so even that had a purpose wtf is 0.1% attack speed gonna do?

DorkunedAuras1 votes

.1%?

Wukong actually got a massive AS buff. That's the biggest base AS buff I've ever seen Riot give, they really want to buff his trading in a way that's at least slightly interactive.

Wife In Lantern4 votes

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.1%?

Wukong actually got a massive AS buff. That's the biggest base AS buff I've ever seen Riot give, they really want to buff his trading in a way that's at least slightly interactive.

Hahahahaha i really hope youre being sarcastic

DorkunedAuras6 votes

.658 to .711 is massive.

Usually it's .02-.03 in the AS buff, not .053

Combine that with his E AS buff (which is also stronger now that his base AS is higher) and he'll be able to get a lot more AAs in.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

It'll only help his jng clear. For toplane, mid, gank and team fight will be useless.

First Stár Jinx1 votes

Yeah, because he's not meant to be played in a lane unless your a masochist.

Because all Wukong does in that lane is one shot anyone with ZERO counterplay because it's always out of stealth.

Sharpest glasses2 votes

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Yeah, because he's not meant to be played in a lane unless your a masochist.

Dont know from where this BS come from.

Because all Wukong does in that lane is one shot anyone with ZERO counterplay because it's always out of stealth.

Wukong never OS someone during laning phase, even when he was strong. And he's more fair as laner than jungler. As top and mid he has clear weakness. Everytop laner out sustain, dps, tanks, push him. Most mid outrange or outroam him.

In jungle... he's meh.

Wukong is only strong against players with poor map and selfawarness.

DartExplosion101 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wife In Lantern,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YpGdN3iE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-08-26T08:37:46.394+0000)

Exactly. so even that had a purpose wtf is 0.1% attack speed gonna do?

but that has nothing to do with wukong lol

ShrimpHeavenNow1 votes

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Reminds me of that 1 mana change on kassadin LOL

the 1 Mana change was a legitimate buff tho. it helps him stack tear so much faster.

ScarIet Rain1 votes

Actually it was me who played wukong as ADC while adc meta was dead a couple patches ago. My stats say it all. 87% winrate wukong adc. Lvl two can all in any bot lane comp especially if i had pyke or someone with a cc and dmg like brand.

He was just OP asf back then when the adc meta was dead. But now that adcs are back.. cuz of wu nerf u cant play him anymore. Just no more dmg.

chaosmonkey6911 votes

You said something about no tank stats... His passive gives him armor and mr more ppl around btw

SwiftKitten881 votes

you mean give him back is 10% ad at all levels? which he had for the first 8 years? up until they dractaiully overbuffed him in 8.6 and are now toning that bad?

ok.. sure

you can have that back

take your 10% at all level of your q

or would u rather keep your current 0/10/20/30/40?

my god...

Abysswalker1 votes

the whole one shot thingy is all about bursting dmg in one go, wukong deserved the nerf really because he's a fighter that can do such high dmg where it should be put into assassins. but really why should you focus on wukong when you have even worse things happening ?

do yourself a favor and try thresh support but going damage with Harvest, item 3095 and item 3147. you'll laugh at how much burst you can deal stacking with his e as a "support", and thresh is just hardly an example where you have other champs such as garen

such things weren't even possible back in season 4.

any champion that can pack on-hit damage can easily one shot by going the same build, it's just funny.

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