Bramble Vest?

dont fuq with me··2 votes·1,178 views

Hello there, i'm here to talk about this amazing new item bramble vest, with the release of this new item it is all i have seen top lane. I am an Aatrox main and it is hard enough to play this champion as is but with the release of this item it makes it even harder to play him because it makes it impossible to sustain. I played a game where the whole enemy team built thornmail and that is kinda ridiculous if you ask me. Aatrox relies on sustain but having the enemy top laner build bramble vest first item every game makes it impossible to play this champion anymore, its bad enough that aatrox is the second most underplayed champion but now it is making the last of the aatrox players not able to play there champion anymore. So i had an idea bramble vest was a good idea (kinda) but making it apply grievous wounds every time you auto makes it impossible to play a champ that needs to sustain such as aatrox, so instead of making it every 1 second make it have a cooldown or something such as every 3 autos it applys grievous wounds then for 4 seconds it wont apply it.

22 Comments

rtbf2216514122 votes

This isn't an item problem.

This is an attrox problem.

Rexxiee1 votes

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This isn't an item problem.

This is an attrox problem.

Its absolutely an item problem, the item is broken.

It not only invalidates aatroxs, it destroys most of ad fighters in lane, specially since most have some sort of sustain and they are reliant on it like trynd or fiora.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Its absolutely an item problem.

It only only invalidates aatroxs, it destroys most of ad fighters in lane.

The one's with or without True Damage?

And you think Attrox was good to begin with?

Limrick1 votes

It doesn't hurt Tryn, the GW only lasts 1 second, so he just waits and then uses Q. Fiora, sure, but a champion like Fiora needs counters or she gets ridiculous. You already can't just build armor because of her true damage, so GW helps tanks survive.

Ralanr1 votes

She's meant to counter tanks, but if this weakens her too strong early then it's fair.

Juskivel1 votes

im not a fan of it, and it doesnt even affect me (janna main). just the fact that tanks can build a grevious item without having to waste 800g is questionable.

dont fuq with me1 votes

aatrox is good in his current state but its not an aatrox problem is everychamp that relies on sustain or lifesteal. aatrox is just one example because i main him, and yes aatrox is currently good but no one knows of him all they think is that hes trash i have had people troll my games because i have played aatrox

dont fuq with me1 votes

I already posted something in help and support and the person thought that this would be a better place but i think not.....

Juskivel1 votes

lol my friend used to 1trick him, i think hes like 270th best aatrox NA, and he thinks its cancer. I just think its overall an overtuned item for 900g

rtbf2216514121 votes

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lol my friend used to 1trick him, i think hes like 270th best aatrox NA, and he thinks its cancer. I just think its overall an overtuned item for 900g

It's meant to counter ADCs. This was Rito's bandaid to their problem they created.

Juskivel1 votes

In that regard its fine, but i dont see why bramble vest got both passives, as that really only fucks sustain toplaners

RenownedWheat421 votes

How is it overtuned for 900g? 700g worth of armor, so 200g passive. Seems to be efficient, sure, but I wouldn't say overtuned.

F6fire1 votes

Because this completely shuts down sustain and auto attack top laners. Its not 200g for the passive since you give them grevious wound AND deal an additional 20 magic damage back to them every time they auto you. For 900g id expect something that would ONLY give the return damage (prob like 10 damage or scaling with level) and like 20 armor since the adc variant has that value.

An easier way to explain why it isnt worth just 900g is because of the circumstances you buy it in. The criteria that this item covers is:

A) Your opponents primary damage comes from auto attacks.

B) Your opponent has some sort of lifesteal aspect in their kit that work with auto attacks.

C) Your opponent uses AD primarily for their damage.

If anything, this item alone might drive people towards more tanky or poke top laners rather than fighters or auto based champions.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

The item gives 50% reduced healing and about 5-6% damage reduction. The low cost makes it an easy item to acquire. Something like this needs to be a late game option, not a mid-game one.

dont fuq with me1 votes

indeed a wise choice

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

Thornmail has always been an anti-aatrox item, sure it didn't have grievous wounds before, but really tanks did need this as a counter to their heavy sustain opponents. It just means you need to pick your fights more appropriately and learn how to maneuver around it. Logically you won't see many games where the entire enemy team builds a thornmail though so don't worry too much about that oddity. Also, you're only losing 40% of your sustain, not the full amount.

dont fuq with me1 votes

oh buddy you would be so surprised how often it happens, lol only 40% sustain really????

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

yes, grievous wounds specifically states that it only reduces healing sources by 40%. TBH I have yet to even see a game with new thornmail.

F6fire1 votes

Aatrox already lost a large portion of his healing after they took out his triple healing under 50% which was one of his main sustain and dueling methods. Now if youre fighting someone who is tanky you cant out sustain them as you only heal 60% of the original amount AND lose 20 hp as magic damage ( more like 14 - 15) on top of losing sustain. The life steal decrease is more like 50% in the early game and with all of aatrox's damage being in autoattacks, you get punished for playing the champion the only way he works. If they seriously dont buff him before he gets reworked then im VERY worried about what theyre even going to do to his playstyle in the rework.

AR URF1 votes

I love bramble vest. The grievous wounds can finally make tanks do what they were meant to do without adcs using them to heal.

iahim981 votes

Aatrox unfortunately got the short end of the stick with this item, so they might buff him. But the idea of the item is fine, is basically an executioner culling for tanks, so they won't make it have a CD when as executioner has none and last for 3 sec instead of 1. The problem is, the item is overtuned, (beware, numbers) as someone said, you get 700 worth of gold in armor, so the passive is worth 200, while on executioner you get 525 worth of AD, so you pay 275 for the passive, if we compare only the GW passives, executioner is stronger as it lasts longer and you chose when to apply it, while against Bramble vest you can still heal on minions after you stop AA him (you should also get the full heal on your first auto, but I need to test that), now the problem is Bramble vest also has that 20 damage on the passive, which make the healing against that target even worse then against executioner, and makes the passive stronger. In my opinion, they should remove that damage on the passive (or increase the cost), to make it a worse item to rush, as that 20 damage is more significant the earlier is purchased.

L0V3X1 votes

I honestly think the item is too strong!

I am a fiora main. And every toplaner rushes bramble vest and I can say goodbye as all I do is Q (seen as on hit so GW applied...) and AA and AA reset so I'm permanently applied with grevious wounds which makes it impossible to make outplay anymore with the healing you get from passiv ult etc... Basically any tanks I fight now even though Fiora is a tank killer will kill me because of that stupid GW...

So anybody know how you can counter it or is it just impossible to do something against?

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