We really need 2 ban per game ..

R G ·Dec 11, 2019·38 votes·6,063 views

like 1 ban is really not enough there's so much op champs and riot also makes new op champs ..... we need 2 ban every game 20 total.

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Worst JG WinsDec 11, 201920 votes

How about just nerfing the blatantly OP champs?

R G Dec 11, 20197 votes

true , but 20 ban is good solution too

Nea104Dec 11, 20193 votes

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How about just nerfing the blatantly OP champs?

They intentionally keep some champs "OP", in a sort of rotation. Just look at Pyke for the whole S9 (and his new skins), or Kai'sa (same thing); and now Senna, or Ryze or Cassio, but some people will probably just argue that "it's just pre-season". They said that when Zoe first came out, btw. Anyway, you can also remember Riven and Vayne months ago, being OP for months: no hot-fixes, and not even fixes, since they stayed there for several patches, "inexplicably".

This is also a trick to keep their own game "fresh", along with some well timed new skin releases. And besides, they can't use advanced math to actual try to find a decent, if not good, balance (eg., doubling Brand's passive straight away, for the whole S8, instead of accurately calculating the best value).

There is also the reverse issue: they haven't any clue how to proper balance Yuumi, so they just deleted her 4 months or so ago. Not 4 weeks. Just a "mistake"? No, just remember what happened to Tahm, from broken to deleted. And only in the last patch, after months (again), they tried to resurrect Braum.

3 seasons (or more) of this. You can choose how to define the people working out there :D

OrnnDec 11, 20191 votes

3-5 years is not a short rotation

Nea104Dec 11, 20191 votes

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3-5 years is not a short rotation

Why 3-5 years? This happens for one month, or 6, or even for one whole season. Then, it changes, and something else takes its place.

OrnnDec 12, 20191 votes

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Why 3-5 years? This happens for one month, or 6, or even for one whole season. Then, it changes, and something else takes its place.

yas kat yi tryn ryze all been broken for years and the relevant changes riot keeps making does nothing

Nea104Dec 12, 20191 votes

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yas kat yi tryn ryze all been broken for years and the relevant changes riot keeps making does nothing

Yes, I see. That's only a few champs, though, their "favourites", for several reasons : Yasuo is for edgy kids, who often buy skins with parents' money; Trynda and Yi are for allowing easy elo-boosting and account trading (which are not punished enough, as if there were some kind of agreement), and so on.

But usually, they switch from time to time who is OP and who is not, and they don't fix it in a decently short time, for the other reasons I mentioned above. Very despicable anyway.

DCYOUNG888Dec 11, 20191 votes

That is a solution but what about those who are deemed OP in pro plays while mediocre or bad in regular plays (e.g. Azir Azir, Ryze Ryze, Kalista Kalista, Galio Galio, etc.)?

Ben SwoIoDec 11, 20192 votes

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How about just nerfing the blatantly OP champs?

I'm down for that, but realistically riot doesn't do shit.

They MIGHT "nerf" one or two champs, but then they release or remake some other champs that become OP. All the attention gets shifted to them and all the previous OP champs kind of get forgotten about. Rinse and repeat. It just feels like riot doesn't give a shit anymore and just made this a hyper mobile super uber damage call of duty video game.

Hi Its SciroccoDec 11, 20192 votes

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How about just nerfing the blatantly OP champs?

Consider How game been like for last 3 seasons ? Thats not gona happen

SlitorousDec 11, 20191 votes

Senna finally got a bit of a nerf only took a month...

Sir SaltarinDec 11, 20198 votes

Nice bots voting here buddy.

39 upvotes in 21 minutes, yeah sure.

Worst JG WinsDec 11, 201910 votes

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Nice bots voting here buddy.

39 upvotes in 21 minutes, yeah sure.

and only 8 votes in the poll

LovaLovaDec 11, 20194 votes

this threads sent to a popular arabic league of legends discord so all people in the discord came in and upvote its not a bot :)

DuskDaUmbreonDec 11, 20194 votes

And most of them didn't vote in the poll.

Krys StarDec 11, 20194 votes

I've been wanting this for the past two months now lol. There's just way too many champions that are either incredibly frustrating and anti-fun to play against, or just blatantly overpowered. My heart would be content if I could keep Ekko and Nautilus permbanned.

StupaflyDec 11, 20194 votes

over 10% of the roster banned every game? seems a little much to me.

The DreamwalkerDec 11, 20193 votes

Personally, give me two bans so I can permanently remove Yasuo and Zed from my games. Instead of doing a dice roll about which one will be played.

Light of MadnessDec 11, 20192 votes

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Personally, give me two bans so I can permanently remove and from my games. Instead of doing a dice roll about which one will be played.

I come back to league if riot gives me enough ban to remove 4ever from my games Pyke Zed Yasuo Riven Vayne LeeSin .... I dont want on my team, I dont want in the enemy I don't want to see ever again all this crap champs. There are more crap ones but idk, I still can accept the nonsense they have.

But this will never happen so I do not play, I just read the forum to learn.

JanakinDec 11, 20193 votes

Yeah, 1 ban for something that is OP, 1 ban for something we hate to play against, easy.

I Like TeemoDec 11, 20192 votes

gonna be honest with you.. the game has 10 bans and frequently in games i have teammates and enemies ban either nothing, or champs that have between a 1 and 0.1 play rate

Zac Corki Sona are 3 off the top of my head that almost no one prioritizes in games and yet people ban (usually a frustration ban from a previous game)

R G Dec 11, 20193 votes

this game has 147 champ , 10 ban is not enough at all.

I Like TeemoDec 11, 20194 votes

well still double sided coin there..

sometimes you really wanna play that flavour of month and never can because the enemy team controls the bans needed to completely remove the top tier champ or two in every role. or just the 10 top most picked champs permanently meaning if you main

Mordekaiser LeeSin Ekko Yasuo Senna Pyke Zed Kaisa Caitlyn (and i assume Aphelios is gonna be hella popular for a while)

you might never get to play them (and thats only the other teams bans) you might want Leona or Morgana as a backup pick but your adc is gonna ban both of them because playing KogMaw into them is no fun at all

but the 10 ban system works perfectly in tournament style ban phases.. 3 bans 3 picks, 2 bans 2 picks, the first 3 bans each team gets are priority high teir champ bans at all 5 roles.. the 2 following are targeted bans based on what the other side picked.. 20 would be way too many for pro play

WoollyWitchDec 11, 20193 votes

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Sir SaltarinDec 11, 20195 votes

People ban the champions for a reason. They are overpowered.

I don't.

I perma ban Yasuo because he's annoying, not because I think he's op.

ﬂooDec 11, 20191 votes

Same. I perma him because otherwise I don't get to play the game. Cuz it's a very good idea to have champs revolve the entire game around themselves simply for existing. Changes long overdue

PandaraDec 11, 20192 votes

This statement is wrong, people ban champs they don’t like to play against, that doesn’t make them op, I agree that there are many champs that aren’t balanced and thus get bans but people often ban stuff that they have lost to recently whether the champ is op or not

One other thing I forgot to note, you would now need 30 champs to play draft or ranked so that you can’t be banned out, until your account has 30 champs play ai or blind pick, with how slow you get BE

Cairo KingDec 11, 20192 votes

This is so lame, this just makes it frustrating for players who have their main champ permabanned. Big no

Levy McGardenDec 11, 20191 votes

If Riot would make every champion balanced, people's mains wouldn't be permabanned, because everyone would have different but totally acceptable bans.

If your champion is being permabanned, you should ask Riot to nerf them, honestly. Because then you'll still be able to play them but they won't be so broken that they warrant a permaban.

Cairo KingJan 5, 20201 votes

If adcs got two bans per game I guarantee you draven would get permabanned. Not because hes broken, or needs nerfs, but simply because players don't like playing against him

toby mcteagueDec 11, 20192 votes

Bans aren't there to ban every broken pick. Just the ones you hate playing against the most.

LightswornLanceDec 11, 20192 votes

2 bans is not enough I need to ban akali ekko yasuo qiyana senna riven fiora. And teemo nasus singed from my own team.

Sir SaltarinDec 11, 20191 votes

You actually don't need that many.

LightswornLanceDec 12, 20191 votes

Yes I do. I need to ban all of riots flavor of the month new skin overbuffed champions. And the last three bans are just so my top laner plays a useful champion.

Sir SaltarinDec 12, 20191 votes

Cool, how do you play the game if you need al those bans that you don't have ?

You've quited I assume.

OneMustFallDec 11, 20192 votes

Pretty soon it'll be an hour long process to get through champ select just to have everyone remake because Ahri decided to go take a shit after banning her 3 champs and found that the spicy rigatoni she ate for dinner was more explosive than originally anticipated.

KynamiDec 12, 20192 votes

Might be better to have a rolling 3-day reprieve ban system in place that based on each previous 3 day window auto-bans the top 3 each of pick rate, win rate, and ban rate champions. After their 3 day removal from the pool they are re-added for the next cycle and another up to 9 champions take their place as bench warmers for a few days.

Got your primary champ auto-banned and you are a one trick? Wait three days and they will be back in rotation. Everyone only needs their one ban, but everyone is also given a reprieve from certain champions for a few days here and there.

And if a champion is perpetually in the 3-day auto ban lockout every other cycle then maybe they should just drain some power from that champion without a compensation buff.

BigFBearDec 11, 20191 votes

I wouldn't say op I would say not healthy for the game. They might have 50% winrate but they are hardcore annoying to play against.

UlriahDec 11, 20191 votes

Yes, or just ban aphelios automatically

AeroWaffleDec 11, 20191 votes

Increasing the ban count would also increase the threshold before you're allowed in draft.

As it stands you need to have 20 champions unlocked (either bought or through free rotation) because of the unlikely event that you're last and all other 19 champions are either picked or banned.

Adding another ban per person would increase this requirement by another 10 champions.

Depending on the person this increased requirement for draft could be good or bad.

The23rdGamerDec 11, 20191 votes

A 20 ban system likely won't work because then certain champions will just constantly be banned forever. Banning champions entirely should not overtake nerfing/buffing/rebalancing champions as a default gameplay lever for an extended period of time. (I.e. it's not acceptable to be told to "just ban a champion" rather than 1.) learn to play with/against the champion and improve or 2.) Riot rebalance the champion if it is indeed truly problematic)

Riot has reflected this ideology for years and has responded to this idea multiple times, this article below being one of many: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/05/dev-10-bans-arrives/

PandaraDec 11, 20191 votes

The big problem that makes this change something that riot wouldn’t take seriously, with 20 bans it would be possible to ban certain roles, such as banning every adc, banning every assassin, or banning every tank, yes your team doesn’t get all 20 bans but it wouldn’t be impossible or unlikely to see large majorities of an entire role being banned out every game, this would ruin the game.

Total ViolationDec 11, 20191 votes

You people could have 5 bans per person (55 bans total) and you'd all still complain because that one sneaky champion who can counter yours was left unbanned, got taken, and somehow single handedly won them the game.

https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/overwatch_gamepedia/thumb/d/d5/Spray_Moira_Facepalm.png/100px-Spray_Moira_Facepalm.png?version=504e0399e97f7050b24030aa278d28cc

One part of becoming better at a game is to face what you fear and learn how to beat it. I, as an immobile mage main, DEPSISE seeing the abomination known as Blitzcrank in my games. But i did not learn to dodge his hooks by keeping him perma banned. I learned how to deal with him by playing against him. Same with Yasuo. Everyone and their mother constantly cries about how "bRoKeN" he is, but, shocking, you can telegraph his dashes by paying attention to your minions. Every champion has a weakness, but you just refuse to learn it, because you're too scared to face them.

Your suggestion is pointless and unnecessary. Learn to play the game instead of complaining why you can't make it easier for yourself.

Charmy BirdDec 12, 20191 votes

If not that can we at least give an extra ban to another teammate if one of those 300 iq Chads don't ban anything cuz they're too good?

ProblissDec 12, 20191 votes

Inb4 people ban 20 adcs. Imagine how dumb that would be, let alone how long it would take.

AdmeiaDec 12, 20191 votes

I'd ban the following: Akali, Senna, Pyke, Diana, and Aphelios. Hate all these champions, not enough bans for the amount of champions being released/reworked.