Can we keep TeamBuilder too please?

Dreamstime·1/14/2016, 8:28:31 PM·255 votes·6,922 views

Just thought i'd like to share my thoughts on the new draft mode, first off i love the set up, it looks amazing and much more organized than before. However, it should NOT replace Team Builder and this is why...

  1. in Team builder, i get the role i want guaranteed, and the champion i want
  2. if i'm the captain, i can choose who i'd like on my team to avoid troll picks and make a balanced team
  3. it doesn't allow for innovation games. (Ex. My friends and i love queuing up for team builder as all mid, and sometimes randoms will join us, if they don't like it they have the option to find another team rather than queue dodging for a penalty)
  4. it takes A LOT longer to find a game if you're solo queuing, it feels like a lot more work for less pay off ( ex. not getting the role you wanted, getting in queue and seeing a troll pick and deciding whether or not to queue dodge for a penalty, while in team builder just find another team or if you're the captain, kick them) The new Draft mode is nice, but its not replacement for team builder. i don't see why we can't keep both around, i don't want to be forced into a mode i don't want to play, while forced into a role i don't want to play, AND not getting the champion i want on top of all of that.

113 Comments

CoolHandJack1/14/2016, 8:36:34 PM61 votes

Very good points, 0% chance of Riot listening.

Perideem1/14/2016, 9:33:49 PM23 votes

The new draft pick compared to old draft pick:

Queue times about the same Dodges increased by about 200% Getting primary role increased by about 200%

The new draft pick compared to team builder:

Longer queue times by about 400% Dodges increased by about 400% Getting primary role DECREASED by about 400%

Please don't think a replacement for old draft pick actually works as a viable replacement for team builder.... that's just insanity. I actually assumed it was a glitch or an oversight that team builder was removed but sources are saying it's intentional... intentional grounding is a penalty btw.

Oh, after rereading original post... also I miss the innovation games. You add rift herald as an option instead of dragon. But if you use this new draft pick method it's 90% more confusing when you duo queue top/top support because for some reason you only thought support could go bot. Or when you get a roaming support like bard mid to assist the jng for ganks bot and top. It's like you cut every chance of alternate strategies every time you can.... double jungle anyone? Nope gotta make that not viable because we want cookie cutter teams only.... seriously lame.

Frost theJanitor1/14/2016, 9:39:55 PM19 votes

Yep. Really love the new champ select. Boy was I tired of picking the exact champ and role that I felt like playing.

This sucks. I could not care less about my "secondary" pick (which ends up being my assigned role). Rito, if a game takes 20 min minimum, I feel really frustrated if I can't get the role/champ I want. What is left to do? Play the desired champ anyway in a...less than ideal lane? Kinda unfair to the team. I'm only playing this game for fun and now it's reeeeeeally hard to get my fun champs. Bring Back TB 2016

Dookks1/14/2016, 9:59:17 PM19 votes

This couldn't be anymore correct. BRING. BACK. TEAM. BUILDER.

M0rgana1/14/2016, 11:32:10 PM14 votes

I think the new system is the best solution for ranked games as it solve some problems that arise before game, but at the same time I don't understand why they took off team builder. I get it, they are trying to solve the waiting time to get into a game, but some people are okay with waiting and getting the role they wanted for sure. So i am with keeping the new system in ranked, but same time keep team builder open as it helps people learn and master the champ that they are planning to play. I believe each has it's + and -, but each also have different role in the process of learning champions vs applying the tricks that you have learned in draft and ranked.

Dochasach1/14/2016, 9:52:02 PM11 votes

I'm going to share this to get it Upvoted.

Fenilith1/15/2016, 6:43:42 AM9 votes

Dear Riot, I do think you have a good system set up for draft and Ranked, however, say i get a shiny new champ, great! now lets learn them... Oh wait i cant because i just got slammed into a different role. This is highly frustrating. Some times I maybe feel like practicing duo bot with a friend but now i cant be guaranteed that, so instead I'm supporting a rando while my buddy is taken from me. I want my buddy back. I do appreciate that you guys are trying to improve the user experience, but when it comes down to it I do believe that Team Builder would be better off left in the game.

Praying for Team Builder, Fen

Onyxray1/15/2016, 3:36:28 AM8 votes

Bring team builder back please. No reason why we should have lost it.

RookPusher1/15/2016, 3:52:58 PM7 votes

The biggest reason to keep Team Builder is that it was the best training ground for new champs.

A lot of the time I play I get one person saying "first time [champ]" and everyone is ok with it. 30% of the time I see people give advice like "Max Q/W/E first" or "build the following path." And you get what you want. So it's ideal for learning a champ. Removing it is not good for player development.

UrgotToBeKidding1/14/2016, 8:56:45 PM7 votes

Yep. Some seriously good points. If you don't enjoy more than one role (luckily I do) you're just screwed outside blind pick.

PoeticDreams1/15/2016, 5:57:13 AM7 votes

In every single thread about this, there are some platinum warriors with the Git Gud argument.

It never occured to them casuals might play all roles but not feel like playing more than one on that one, specific day.

To deal in absolutes is the way of the dark side , right

SatiricalJack1/15/2016, 3:25:52 AM6 votes

The other issue I have with the removal of team builder is a removal of organized play, sure we have the new queue system for draft, but nothing for blinds! and what if I wanted to test the viability of a certain champ setup? team builder was the go to place for that! Mundo with Runic and Windspeaker masteries? throw on a spirit visage? benefit from a crazy ult and heals when you kill minions. worked surprisingly well too. But if I make slight alterations to what I want to try doing, or testing out newer item builds in a realistic scenario (as opposed to a custom or bots) Team Builder was crucial for that. I like the new setup for ranked yes, entirely for it as it makes the pain of dealing with "we're going to duo top if you don't let us go bot lane" or a lot of the other stupid stuff you see at low-mid elo.

TeamBuilder was nice because it was more organized than normal blinds while still having a lot of the freedoms, we need it back... just my two sense on the issue I doubt riot will do anything, creating separate queues makes for longer wait times all around, and can be more taxing.

Dreyrr1/15/2016, 3:19:35 AM4 votes

What I really would like to see in the future (since that I can still use team builder) is that there is a queue where I can grind a freshly bought champion between bots (if I want to) or ARAM and Draft Pick/Ranked. I mean: if I want to pick a primary and secondary role and I'm still learning some champions and/or their/other roles to get better, then the chance is significantly increased we will lose the game when I would need to do a new champion on a lane where I am not used to.

Also, I know that you could have a harsh time when you are in Team Builder laning against a champion you just can't beat. What happens? The learning potential is the matter of fact you will get in the game. You won't or can't play your best, but you will learn so much about champions. I think Team Builder is for the people who are in between 30 and Ranked and casuals. If you go directly into Ranked, you will end in bronze V, most likely.

Learning against bots is something what should be done one time to learn the abilities, eventually. But mostly I play ARAM to check what abilities can do / get used to what they do and after that I grind the champions I own in Team Builder.

And for the casuals: I love to play a game where I can just play what and where I want. That takes like an hour maximum. Since I have less and less time because of my study, I cannot afford to potentially waste 3 hours to finally play what I want on that day. In the new champion select, the champion could be banned according to the meta or be picked by another (or you just have the wrong role for it). Despite that games take long, it would be mostly a time-waste. And yes, that will bring more trolls.

Long story short: Team Builder is a practice mode between 30 and Ranked for specific champions and/or specific roles. It offers more than the bot games and ARAM (which aren't representative due to respectively the chicken-outs / laning / placing wards of bots and the teamfights). The game should have a learning potential and Team Builder was the way to go for people to prepare for Ranked or even Draft picks.

And I saw a employee of Riot reply in another thread: blind pick == team builder. The correlation is in my opinion just not right when Riot releases a mode for (ranked) draft pick and take away the supported (improved) mode for blind pick (eliminating trolls). Although I am sure that the team builder 2.0 for Blind pick will be imminent.

Lastly, don't get me wrong. I love the look of the new champion select for draft pick and ranked. I know that it was needed for the continuity and I will definitely use it sometime. It will help the people who are beyond the training part for several champions and roles. Although there is a part of the community that loves blind team builder due to valid reasons like learning or having less time. I mean: the average player is someone who is working already or on a university for a bachelor or master. Through the years, they will have less and less time. That continuity should be taken in account too.

P.S. I am not the best league player, but I have fun and I'm willing to learn. Taking away Team Builder is taking away the opportunity to learn the game properly for me and maybe most players or the opportunity to have fun / casual play. And I guess that games all have to have an element of fun. That is one group of players. The other one are the competitive people for whom this update was needed and is great.

SinfulSaint01021/15/2016, 10:00:21 AM4 votes

I'm going to miss Team Builder. I've had the most fun and I've met the coolest people because of team builder. You could've done things people would consider off-meta but team builder just accepted it. Want to play Soraka jungle? Go for it. Sure you had to wait a long time but you would eventually get picked. If you got in-game the captain and the other people CHOSE to let you stay. They could've kicked you or rejected you instantly. They knew what they were getting. Let's say you just bought Kennen or something and you wanted to to go top to try him out. You would be accepted and then to your surpise you see Amumu jungle, AP trist mid, Gnar Adc and Heimer supp. You somehow made it to a full yordle team. You decide to stay in the team and you end up winning the game. Everyone had fun and you all add each other afterwards. After that you can do comps together like all demacia, all noxus, etc. You will never see that in the new champ select. New champ select will strictly be what's fotm/meta. You won't be able to play Vladimir mid because that's clearly not meta even though you're a Vlad main since his release. The new champ select is perfect for RANKED. No more trolls complaining about not getting their main roles. So what's left? Blind pick normals? The place were everyone complains about not getting their roles and people just instalocking? You had freedom in teambuilder and riot is taking that away.

ahhun1/15/2016, 2:52:53 PM4 votes

i tihnk the new layout is nice, but... not really interested in mulitple roles.

IRFodder1/14/2016, 8:59:32 PM2 votes

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Bladerunner77771/15/2016, 3:34:49 AM2 votes

League before teambuilder: "Yeah this is a great idea no more trolls!"

League with teambuilder: "..................................................." (silence, because not many people used it)

League removing teambuilder: "WHAT?! No! This was the best thing ever!"

im ready for my downvotes