Can Morgana get a mage update on her passive?

Derenic·May 7, 2016·2 votes·620 views

Since spellvamp has been removed, is her passive going to be changed/added to, or will she be unique in having spellvamp? I like her passive, but would be nice to have something with more "umph".

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A Basic IslandMay 7, 20163 votes

Lol at this thread Morgs passive is very good

Mobility PowerMay 7, 20162 votes

did anyone build vamp on morg before..? if not theres not a change then. iv honestly never seen a gunblade or woa morg tbh...

Mobility PowerMay 7, 20161 votes

also those werent spellvamp items anyways. not statistically just "heal dmg dealt items"

Serika ZeroMay 7, 20162 votes

as a morgana main (she was my first mid main). building spellvamp for her was a very small experiment for me, it ended in a week or two.

To answer your question. Building spellvamp on Morgana was as viable as build AD on her. You can do it sure, but its not the optimal build or a good one.

Mobility PowerMay 7, 20161 votes

yeah like.... woa was apparently used in aram. in my games if someone bought it and wasnt vlad you just assumed they were trolling lol...

Mobility PowerMay 7, 20161 votes

IMO this is like original urf. nobody cared till they thought it wasnt coming back xD

Serika ZeroMay 7, 20161 votes

not even in aram. RoA and Zhonias are core for her in that game mode. And after that void staff, rabadons and boots. You would rarely even get to your 6th item, which usually was luden echo or similar stuff

I'm not the type that would say Zhonias is core for Morgana. But when the map has only 1 lane and the only game play pattern is team fights. Then yes, Zhonias is very much core :p

EndlessSorcererMay 7, 20162 votes

It's being removed from items. Not from the game entirely.

Milodic MellodiMay 7, 20161 votes

Spellvamp hasn't been removed, only for items. I agree that it should be changed to a more fitting Passive, though, since her Spellvamp is now weak compared to what it used to be and is therefore a weak Passive. Add that to the fact she has no Dashes/Flashes/etc, and the only thing she has going for her is her long-cooldown Q and R, and her E shield. I main her but I think I'm going to be using her much less often now.

Serika ZeroMay 7, 20161 votes

morgana's passive is VERY strong. For a midlaner, and she is a mid laner. She was designed to be a midlaner and she is in the top 10 best mid laners, she also was in the top 10 best midlaners for a long time now.

and her passive is very fitting, it gives her in lane sustain. Which goes hand in hand with her passive aggressive play style

Milodic MellodiMay 11, 20161 votes

I agree that it is strong, but it's definitely not as strong as it used to be. You can't rely as much on getting back health you need, making you much less capable against threats like Yasuo. Add to the fact she has no mobility options (excluding items), which makes her lesser Spell Vamp-ability even more apparent, and you end up having a weakened champion. Trust me, you don't know how satisfying it is to Q someone (which is, and has been, more a thing of luck most of the time) and watch as you get back a good chunk of your health while you watch your teammates take them down. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen anymore and she's just not as strong. She's still strong against champs she's strong against, but she's even weaker against Champs she's weak against because she has that much less sustain than she used to. I mean, I guess this patch was both a blessing and huge curse to her. Even though she's lost a lot of sustain options, she has a much easier time with mana and CDR and can therefore gank easier.

Serika ZeroMay 11, 20161 votes

morgana is strong vs yasou
morgana has no counters, she is not weak vs anyone
you don't have to build CDR on her, and now even gets it for free
her usual combo is R into W into Q, meaning you don't have to fish for Qs
her optimal play style means you stay near your and and press R if someone tries to kill them, (if its Zed, you press Q after Zed ults, and then R). If its LeBlank, you press E on your ADC and R. Since this basically allows you adc to kill anyone that tries to jump on them.

regarding point 5. You, as Morgana. Got a 1.5s stun on ult, 3 seconds snare on Q (which is impossible to miss on a stunned target) and a 1.5s slow. Its very easy for your ADC to kite a target that has ~50% less movement speed. Its also very easy for your ADC to auto attack a snared/stunned target for 4 seconds. An adc in late game, even on tanks will do ~4000 dmg to them (not even combining yours) in that for 4s. Assassins will melt even faster.

Morgana is a peal/pick supportive mid laner. And her passive facilitates her early game trading and all-in potential.

Milodic MellodiMay 11, 20161 votes

She's hugely out-damaged early game by Yasuo, her skillshot is terribly hard to hit on such an agile Champ like Yasuo, and his passive shield blocks any huge amount of damage you can deal to him. Unless you're really lucky and Q/W him when your team comes to gank, and you prevent the knockups with your E (not the damage, and since he's so close to you he can still Q and proc Shiv), there's not really much you can do. I'm Rank 5 on Morg and I've played against Yasuo, and unless he's feeding you or doesn't know how to actually play Yasuo, you're not going to do well.
She's weak to anyone that can bypass her E and is incredibly agile, or just doesn't really care because they're so tanky or their kit is so much better. Kha'Zix, Yasuo, Lux, Draven, Nautilus (unless you're really good with your E, and LeBlanc are some examples.
How does she get it for free if she doesn't build CDR items? Runes?
Idk about everyone else, but I find wasting my R right in the beginning not so good a strategy, especially because it's a delayed Root. I Q/W, and save my R when I'm either really close to getting a kill or when i'm in a teamfight (or, like you said, when my teammates need it). That's me though. Morgana's a great champ, but I'm just saying she's not as good as she used to be. She might have some sustain with her passive but I'm just saying that it's been lessened from what it was before this patch because she can't build Spell Vamp on items anymore.

Serika ZeroMay 12, 20161 votes

I'd play Morgana vs Yasou against you, but you are on NA while I only got acc on euw (main) and eune(alt) :(( Yes, she can get out damaged. Yes Q is hard to land. But............................................ you don't have to land Q............................... like, that's the 101 of Morgana mid lane. You DON'T have to land your Qs in lane. Your harass is generally put W under a target while they pass near their caster creeps, that's about it. You would rarely (to never) fire Q, there's no point to, unless the enemy over extends. And then it becomes easy to land. Your W is instant. You can easily take Yasou's shield with it and then poke with auto attacks. If he dashes to melee creeps to E you, then hitting Q (almost point blank) is like hitting annie's Q, pretty much point and click... Yasou can come for random trades, but thx to your passive, you will regen all of it back up (or like 80% of it).

Then, your all-in is massive vs Yasou. Again, you don't start with Q. You start with W, take away his shield. Then when there's few minions left around (1-2 of yours), you walk up to him, Yasou will start trading or run away. If you run away you zoned him off 2 CS, if he starts trading he will die. As you can just R + kite + auto attacks + hit Q during the 1.5 seconds he is stunned + ignite = dead if you took shield off him before, which is point and click W under him lolz. A very easy match-up for Morgana. Yasou has only 1 gap closer when there's no minions around and limited mobility. While Morgana's kiting potential is insane. And 2 mobility skills are not enough to escape Morgana's chains. if she's point blank and chasing you (I'm talking Fizz), they need to flash too.

Morgana has no lane counters and is weak to nobody because, again thx to her passive. She can turn every single match-up into a farm match-up. That's basically it, you CAN'T lose lane as Morgana if you chose so. That doesn't mean you will win lane, it just means you won't lose it. Sure, the enemy can outscale you. But you don't give a fuck, you are a supportive mid laner. As long as you can protect the ADC in team fights -> you win
riot patched CDR on almost every single item in existence, its like getting it for free at this point
and then you complain that its hard to hit Q. You are not WASTING R in the begining, you are using it to force a summoner out of the enemy or secure your all in. As.................... you can't miss the Q on a target that doesn't move since stunned. Ofc, that's for 1v1s. In team fights its different and you want to use R to protect le ADC (or your other big carry that game) That's what Morgana is. She doesn't carry games alone. She protects your carry.

She's the witch that protects the king. And the king is the one whom wins the war.

Milodic MellodiMay 12, 20161 votes

That's...actually good advice. I suppose I've only had it as hard against Yasuo as I've had because I've always went Q instead of W first. Maybe that was what made the difference.
While she can turn any lane into farm-lane, she requires mana to do so. Which means early game when she doesn't have a large amount of mana or mana regen after getting out of a fight, she's pretty m uch out of luck for getting health from her passive. But yeah, protecting the carry is always win/win.
When you said she doesn't need to build CDR, I thought you meant she doesn't need to build items that have CDR (then I went over-guessing I suppose).
That's actually great advice. I've always been protecting the carry but I never thought about R's potential -- only the damage and root it causes, so I tried to get all the opponents I can in it for max teamfight potential. Yeah that's a waste of time most of the time. Thanks for the advice :)

Serika ZeroMay 12, 20161 votes

yw ;)

ModWulf HelhammerMay 7, 20161 votes

For crying out loud people, it was only items!!! Did they say anything about her passive in the patch notes? No, they didn't. So it's not getting removed

KnightofMorriganMay 7, 20161 votes

Pretty sure his question wasn't actually about if its getting removed, but more about if they plan to make changes to it, as in "are you planning on updating it in general". He said "changed/added to" not "replacing"