Please create a feature that if 4 out of 5 players in a queue vote to dodge due to a player trolling

Badass··111 votes·5,165 views

Please create a feature that if 4 out of 5 players in a queue vote to dodge due to a player trolling them in the champion select lobby they can dodge that game. It's really necessary especially in Bronze with all the trolls. What do you guys think? It's stupid to have to go a full game with the troll and most likely end up losing it and lose LP for it too only to report the guy at the end of the game.

Edit: Wow this got a bit of attention. What I hope they think about implementing is something similar to what Postal Badger wrote about making it work like ARAM's rerolls, you are limited to 1-2 and have to play ranked to regain the privilege.

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Colgate Gator27 votes

I agree, +1.

And if they say it's abusable, you can always make it work like ARAM's rerolls, you're limited to 1-2 and you need to play rankeds in order to regain the priviledge.

dandyangel2 votes

What about normals and special game modes it would have been very good for nemesis draft

IcyPepper6 votes

The whole point of nemesis draft was to not dodge and just wing it. There was a reward for specifically not dodging :3

Oops2 votes

and give punishment for someone who causes dodges

7riLo1 votes

You should specify what you mean there. I first interpreted that as if the people who "cause" the dodge were those who voted on it haha! So if you were voting someone out of the que then those who voted would be punished lol!

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP1 votes

Do this, please do this.

SmokingPuffin25 votes

We got outpicked. Better kick the last pick.

Everyone knows Quinn ADC is bad. Dodge that guy.

Nobody on our team knows how to jungle. Better dodge.

DeusVult2 votes

Better Doge

Konidias1 votes

{quoted}

We got outpicked. Better kick the last pick.

Everyone knows Quinn ADC is bad. Dodge that guy.

Nobody on our team knows how to jungle. Better dodge.

I'm a Quinn main, I guess I just don't get to play the game anymore. :(

Guaranteed this will be abused all the time. There are plenty of times when people take off meta picks and the rest of the team doesn't like their choice. We will literally be restricted to only the current TOP meta picks or else we fear getting kicked out of every queue.

Count Tobi1 votes

{quoted}

We got outpicked. Better kick the last pick.

Everyone knows Quinn ADC is bad. Dodge that guy.

Nobody on our team knows how to jungle. Better dodge.

All good reasoning actually.

pE4CbxDPQO8 votes

This gets proposed every day. You have my yes vote, my upvote and my sympathy. They will never do it.

Badass3 votes

I don't see why they wouldn't do this. It's absolutely necessary if you want to improve gameplay. Plus they could implement the feature during those 30 seconds after everyone selects their champion or something.

Reynard the ƒox8 votes

Riot likes to use the 'it could be abused too easily' line as a cure-all for why they won't do things.

Badass1 votes

And they wonder why people leave in a ranked lobby...

Reynard the ƒox4 votes

I dodge all the time, no hesitation, no regrets. I would much, much rather lose 3 LP and 5 minutes than 15 LP and 30 minutes. Or, for the second dodge, I will have much more fun watching Netflix while waiting out the timer than I would have dealing with a poorly-drafted team that has no direction or synergy.

H0riz0n2342 votes

{quoted}

I don't see why they wouldn't do this. It's absolutely necessary if you want to improve gameplay. Plus they could implement the feature during those 30 seconds after everyone selects their champion or something.

Riot seems more focused on the money making aspect of league. Im getting money soon and am not spending a dime anymore until somethings changed. Riot never tries anything new and thats why nothings fixed. They literally forgot the lower elo people. I wish i was there in season one where their were few players enough that riot listened to the community. Anyway thats my thought

Raptamei1 votes

{quoted}

Riot seems more focused on the money making aspect of league. Im getting money soon and am not spending a dime anymore until somethings changed. Riot never tries anything new and thats why nothings fixed. They literally forgot the lower elo people. I wish i was there in season one where their were few players enough that riot listened to the community. Anyway thats my thought

I was in S1.

People whined and cried that ranked had ruined the game and the servers were shit and Tryndamere was OP.

H0riz0n2341 votes

Well damn so when is this shit ever gonna get fixed??

Karfuss6 votes

Moo I'm a cow. Mooooooo

+1

The only issue I can see with it is premades. If it's a troll duo, you're stuck with them. Though the original concept does need implementing with improvements, such as counting duos as one vote.

Slushi Simcambi2 votes

See this is an easy solution that people never bother to consider, saying that it would be "too easy to abuse."

Of course a base idea won't always fit perfectly into the game, but if the concept is really good then it's up to Riot to come up with these solutions in order to give us the best version of that idea possible.

Will there be problems? Of course, no system is perfect.

But it would certainly be better than the mess we have Right now.

SmokingPuffin3 votes

I'm not convinced it will be better.

I think the community would use it to enforce the meta in a really hardcore way. Pick Varus? You're a troll. Get kicked.

Raptamei2 votes

{quoted}

I'm not convinced it will be better.

I think the community would use it to enforce the meta in a really hardcore way. Pick Varus? You're a troll. Get kicked.

If 4 people don't want you to pick Varus.

You don't pick Varus.

SmokingPuffin4 votes

Thank you for demonstrating the problem I have with vote kick.

So long as I'm trying to win the game and know how to play the champion, what right do you have to tell me not to play him?

Slushi Simcambi1 votes

What if Varus is terrible in the team comp you have?

League is inevitably a team game, you have to compromise sometimes to work with your team. If the only ADC you can play is Varus then you probably should learn someone who can mesh with different comps...

SmokingPuffin1 votes

If I am honestly trying to win the game, and think Varus is a good pick for doing so, I think my obligations under the Summoner's Code have been met. The team does not have the right to force me to play the ADC they want.

Reporting people for trolling is fine, and I'd support having the option to report players in champion select, but simply picking Varus isn't trolling. The dude isn't a horrible champion. If you check his win rate, I think you'll find there is no reason to persecute a player for preferring to play Varus.

Renaille4 votes

easily abused. two weeks ago you would see "wow ad fizz? fkn troll"

Reynard the ƒox3 votes

Even if the vote fails, an especially disgruntled player could still dodge by closing the client.

ZombeezyJeezy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=a god damn hero,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YRPEXyqH,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2015-03-05T19:49:51.247+0000)

Even if the vote fails, an especially disgruntled player could still dodge by closing the client.

You're a God damn hero.

A Slime Appears3 votes

It might be abused so even though the vast majority might use it properly it's not worth developing. Same reason they don't let allies control your ohwait Kalista

Marinaras Trench3 votes

What if you are bad, and people google match history, tell everyone that and they vote to dodge. Thats really unfair to the poor player

Zmuecat2 votes

Playing with a bad player isn't fair to the rest of the team.

Granted, they'd all be bad if they got matched together, but whatever.

NinjaFifer3 votes

So, someone is going over every teammate's match history instead of communicating with the team? Yeah, I'd like to dodge them too.

Dengeden3 votes

People would find some other way to troll, wouldn't they? They'd just stop talking, pick normal summoners/champions and then run into towers either way.

My "solution" to the troll problem would be a lot more bleak: 4 players can unanimously vote to (permanently) kick a player out of the on-going game. That player can't queue up for a set/stacking amount of time and can still get reported at the post-game lobby. If he gets kicked often, Riot can start thinking about further punishments. Of course this wouldn't do all that much, other than annoy the troll (which is the main objective) and give the unfortunate team the slim chance of winning a 4v5.

Daedalus8713 votes

I recently got out of Bronze.

There weren't a lot of trolls, just some really shitty players

Arandallian1 votes

teach me how to leave this hell master

Daedalus8714 votes
  1. Be decent at all roles, good at one, take the role when possible.
  2. Be good on champions that aren't pick or ban.
  3. Learn how not to feed your lane.
  4. Sacrifice you first born to get teammates who do the same.
  5. ???
  6. Profit.
WyvernEgg3 votes

This is like putting a Band-Aid on a rash. In no way does it actually fix the problem. If anything it'll make the rash more itchy.

pastagay3 votes

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Reynard the ƒox2 votes

I like this. Drafting a non-retarted team composition is the first step to winning your game.

Badass2 votes

It shouldn't even be that hard to implement. The issue is if you have a troll, not only do you have a slim chance of it working out, you already have a toxic environment too.

ßongs2 votes

this would be perfect

pleep2 votes

Do u guys not see the obvious reasons why this would be abused?

Jalkan2 votes

"We are 4 man premade, you support Thresh or we kick".

Slushi Simcambi2 votes

Ranked dude...

Normals its whatever.

H0riz0n2342 votes

Had a syndra autolock even though I called mid and then she fed. We need this so we can not play with trolls. And btw It would be nice to know if the players you report get punished. If someone stole something from you im pretty sure you would want to know if they got caught.

Somnitsu1 votes

I think 3/5 would be better cause there might be duo trolls

Somnitsu1 votes

I think 3/5 would be better cause there might be duo trolls

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP1 votes

Its true, riot needs to do something about their trolls, but they dont. I have a whole post on how they don't punish leavers.

Please support :)

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wsAuQlXx-riot-logic-giving-leavers-lp-penalty-messes-up-system-deleted-twice-cause-of-truth

rth21 votes

The thing is this in no way fixes the problem and can be abused. There is a bullet list at the bottom if you don't feel like reading explanations. There is also an idea that you may like that I put at the bottom. It may help alleviate your issue.

{quoted}

Please create a feature that if 4 out of 5 players in a queue vote to dodge due to a player trolling them in the champion select lobby they can dodge that game. It's really necessary especially in Bronze with all the trolls. What do you guys think? It's stupid to have to go a full game with the troll and most likely end up losing it and lose LP for it too only to report the guy at the end of the game.

Edit: Wow this got a bit of attention. What I hope they think about implementing is something similar to what Postal Badger wrote about making it work like ARAM's rerolls, you are limited to 1-2 and have to play ranked to regain the privilege.

This fixes nothing. All this does, if you are serious about all the trolls is delay the inevitable. You get to dodge 1 or 2 games and then play your game with a troll. Nothing solved. This also only happens if all 4 of the people who are voting to dodge even have all their votes. If 1 of the 4 has used their 2 votes, guess what, you are playing or dodging the old way. Also, to dodge 1 ranked game a day is - 3LP and 5 minutes. The second dodge is -10LP and 15 minutes. This is less than 20 LP in 20 minutes. You would probably lose an equivalent amount just playing through a game and losing except with the extra benefit that your MMR is also affected.

Trolls are already empowered enough because somebody on that team will most likely take the 3LP hit and dodge for them. But with this system you are giving people a free dodge, something that trolls will jump at. Then what if somebody regular dodges? Just use this old -3LP the first dodge system and we are back where we started except trolls also get the option of a get out of jail free card?

You also cannot change the trolls LP. Riot has a policy that they do not go into people's accounts and change their LP. They don't do this for Tribunal cases, they won't do this because 4 people decide they don't like one person just because he "picks off meta" or some other thing that the team decides they don't like.

This can also be used for people not trolling. "Holy crap their team comp will stomp ours, let's dodge guys. What 4 of us have votes?" or "I want to get so I'm going to leave them open. Let's dodge if the enemy takes them." I mean it promotes teamwork but I don't think the type of teamwork Riot wants promoted.

------------if you skipped past the above explanation here is your tl;dr--------------------

I hope this helps a little bit. What you have proposed is not a good solution as it :

  • Does not address the root problem. It just attempts to circumvent it. Much like how the current system does not actually address trolls pre-game.

  • It actually empowers trolls by giving them more tools to exploit.

  • It also opens up avenues of abuse for players who think the game is not in their favor (without a negative side effect).

One thing I would like to see, if I am so damn smart about why your idea doesn't work :

If somebody dodges a game, have a pop-up that allows each player in the game to explain why the game was dodged (and who caused the dodge). Basically an option to report somebody for pre-game abuses that were big enough to cause a dodge.

  • Just like tribunal, this would not go on a game by game basis but more of a "This person has been reported repeatedly, what is going on here?" basis.

  • This does contain the old system (somebody will lose LP) but also contains the chance that trolls will receive punishment for repeated behavior. This actually puts a real consequence on trolls while imposing a minimal consequence on the dodger.

  • This will be slow. However, it will allow a build up of evidence. So that when action is taken against an account, Riot has plenty of proof for why they are receiving actions such as suspensions, bans, etc...

  • As a bonus, this uses systems that Riot already has. They have a report system. You have to update the look/categories for pre-game but the foundation of the report system is there. Riot already has a tribunal so they already store these reports somewhere. Just add in this category (either separately or combined).

  • This empowers the non-trolls by allowing players to take action against trolls before having to sit through an entire games worth of abuse.

I hope this helps you with you with critical analysis of your proposed features in the future!! :}

TSM Dhinoo1 votes

Dafuq is this essay reply... noobs these days

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