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Tristana theorycrafting: Wit's end

Swaqqit··2 votes·571 views

I have been playing tristana ever since she was "buffed" with the zero cost attack speed and the new dorans blades. What I've been meaning to ask some players I'd call smarter than me, is what could a wit's end possibly offer to tristana?

A while back I was in a ranked match where a tristana decided to go B.F. sword into wit's end. She DESTROYED us for the most part, minus late game where getting caught out cost her the win. A while after that I decided to try it out, just for funsies (I'm in silver mind you, every game is funsies) and had ridiculous success. It has been a build path I've come to take quite often now versus heave AP, B.F. into wits end into IE.

Can any hardcore number crunchers give me some rhyme or reason as to why this is working? Like, actual numbers. I'm aware she does magic damage, thank you. Or, is it just me getting super mechanical because I'm rocking my favorite item in the league?

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Sire Hippington3 votes

it's cause Wit's is a very strong midgame item, offering a quite strong on-hit +huge as. I guess rushing wits befor BF would work aswell. Usually adcs have problems in the early-midgame cause they either have not enough crit for an reliable damageoutput, or no arpen to backup a raw ad+ifesteal path, and arpen is important as the enemy botlane will probably run armor runes, and toplane+jungle usually itemize for armor very early while also runninf armorrunes. With wit's end, u don't care that much about armor, as the 42magic damage hurt alot in the early-mid, especially on a high AS-champ like tris. And with the 50&as from wits + her Q, she got so much as that raw AD increases her dps alot, so BF works well with it. The magicshred is a nice boon on top, but it'S more helpfull for the rest of ur team than for ur self as tris doesn'T deal that much magic damage after stacking the magic shred. Also, the main damage in the early-mid is usuallly magical damage from the basedamage of most skills, so the MR realy helps u to survive

The reason why witsend usually doesn'T work on other high-as ADCs is that it's bad in the late, it doesn'T scale with crit or lifesteal or LW, and later on ohysical damage becomes more dominant so the MR isn'T that great aswell, while atleast the frontline will get mr, and usually carrys aswell with either Banshies ot GA, so the magic dmg falls of a bit. On tris that isn't that bad as she got the probably strongest lategame in the game and will be effecktive even with a suboptimal item, and she snowballs realy hard so she can convert that midgame powerspike into a huge lead. Another reason why it works on tris better than on others is that she got no ad-scalings, so she doen't care about Wit's having ad or not. Wit'S also works well on Kogmaw, and Kog can even fully abuse the mr-shred while his Q alows to keep magic damage relevant in the late.

I'll crunch some numbers later today i guess.

Swaqqit1 votes

Wow! Thanks a ton! I usually only build it against lanes with higher magic dmg, or ones i need to burst down. In a game now, but I cant wait to see those numbers!

Sire Hippington2 votes

Tris lvl 13 --------------------------------------------------------------------dps(with Q)

1)2dorans, berserkers, wit's, BF----------------------267phy+65mag(371phy+89mag)

2)2dorans, berserkers, IE, ------------------------------------338phy(503phy)

3)2dorans, berserkers, BotrK,pickaxe ----------256+11,7%hp(360+16,4%hp)

4)2dorans, berserkers, SS,BF----------------------------307phy+~34mag(136)(432phy+~49mag(196))

all of the above builts cost around 5800g, wich means u will probably have about lvl 13 till u get there dps values are with 15ad from runes and 4+0.55*lvl ad from masteries aswell as 5%as from masteries

Pros/Cons:

1) Highest magical damage, so strong if enemys have more armor than mr(after the 25-mr-shred), the 25-mr-shred also helps the rest of ur team, mr helps alot to survive vs magical damage, powerspike can be reached earlyer than with IE or BotrK, but bad scaling with other ad-itmes so get's worse from there on .

2)best singletarget dps during Q, but needs longer to reach the powerspike and is unreliabke dur to crits RNG(but also can reach much higher dps with critluck)

3) good vs high hp-targets, wich isn't that great at this stage of the game, lifesteal helps vs heavy poke, active can help to duel or kit, but overall lower dps, especially for cleanup vs lowhealth targets

4), best overall dps, especially vs multiple targets, mixed damage, scales well into late while offering an early powerspike, gp10 component, but offers no survivabillity

Conclusion: Wit's can help ur midgame if u face alot magic damge, like a corki+leona lane, and it helps ur team to kill the focustarget with the mr shred, makes it also hard to itemize against u in the mid so wit's is the strongest midgame item here, but the bad scaling makes it an niche item, as the other paths will perform much better through the later stages of the game.

SS rush seems to be the most effecktive if u don't desperatly need the sustain from BortK, as it offers around the same dps as IE but with an early powerspike and better poke/waveclear

Fisk1 votes

This is basically just really boosting trist's mid game to be incredibly strong. And if the enemy team decides not to itemize against you it will be strong. The problem is you're the main AD damage source on your team. If you aren't doing much AD then they can just build lots of MR and you're gonna be less strong mid game then you would have been before since it will be easier for them to itemize. This build is OK and strong if you can get ahead early and really use wits end mid strength asap but if they start to itemize against you it's gonna be bad. In silver it'll probably be fine since mostly people just use their one patented build :P

Cloud Potato1 votes

According to theorycrafting I've done, Wit's End is outdamaged by pure damage items (obviously), but it's definitely worth the tradeoff if the stat combo works for you. In Tristana's case, I probably wouldn't recommend it due to the fact that she gets so much Attack Speed already if you buy BotRK and PD/SS, so you'll probably start reaching the cap when you turn on Q. If you don't end up buying both of those though, sure, but you'll probably have less damage than if you got Maw or Mercurial Scimitar instead.

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