Getting rid of runes? I've spent over 300k IP on runes

Is You Rollin·May 25, 2017·5 votes·8,411 views

I have heard mention of the possibility that Runes will be removed from the game. Some players, including myself, have spent large amounts of IP on runes. I have invested over 300k IP (conservative estimate) on tier 3 runes. For all the tier 3 runes it would cost a total of 406,890 IP. It would be very unfortunate if all those games to earn that IP went to waste.

Is there a possibility that they would compensate players who have spent large amounts of IP on runes if they were removed from the game? Or is it more likely that there would be no reimbursement?

All I ask, please give long-time players of League of Legends some consideration moving forward Riot.

Any else feel this way?

71 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 25, 20173 votes

why would riot need to compensate anyone for runes? when you got IP as a in game currency for free just for playing ?

Brain Errör 404May 26, 201712 votes

"Free"? Time isn't "free". Bad argument my dude.

DrCyanideMay 26, 20171 votes

No, but it's not like you haven't gotten your use out of them.

Starcraft is free now, and I payed money for it back in the day. Does Blizzard owe me my money back because they made it free years after it was purchased by me? Nope! Same deal with Runes. I've gotten who knows how many hundreds of games out of my runes, they've paid for themselves over that time.

Brain Errör 404May 26, 20173 votes

My concern wasn't over compensation. I just don't think it's a good idea to consider time such a feeble thing. The one thing you can never get back in this world is time. The one thing money can't pay for, the one thing rich people can't afford. Time is one of the most irreplaceable things in this world, and writing it off as "free" is something people do all too often. One thing everyone can agree on in this world, is that at some point in life, we all wasted too much time.

ChønklordMay 26, 20173 votes

That makes even less sense;

Your argument is strawman.

That's like if you bought a car straight up with cash, spent hours upon hours tweaking and modifying/"pimping" out the car to your liking and specifications, and a year later the dealer calls you up and says "Yeaaaa so hey, remember that car you bought from us a year ago? We're going to be repossessing it, because some other buyers complained it has some issues here and there, and well, we want all of our buyers to be happy, so we're taking back all those cars including yours. Don't worry though, we'll let you know when we do it, and we'll compensate you with a nicer car, we promise! And look on the bright side, at least you got a lot of mileage and use out of the car, right?"

DrCyanideMay 26, 20171 votes

Except your "car" is League of Legends, it cost you $0, and it's being modified by the manufacturer every 2 weeks whether you like it or not. Pretty terrible example.

ChønklordMay 26, 20173 votes

Not at all -- you invest time and money into League.

While the game itself is free to play, it still has many elements of a Play2Play/Win game, unless you grind considerably hard to get the same things you can pay for to enhance your game (rune pages, etc). That also takes a lot of time, and using your computer takes energy which is called electrical bill.

That Black OreoMay 26, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T01:04:16.281+0000)

Not at all -- you invest time and money into League.

While the game itself is free to play, it still has many elements of a Play2Play/Win game, unless you grind considerably hard to get the same things you can get to enhance your game (rune pages, etc). That also takes a lot of time, and using your computer takes energy which is called electrical bill.

true people have bills to pay

Śilver skyeJun 13, 20171 votes

you obvously didnt buy every rune in the game o-o

DrCyanideJun 13, 20172 votes

Not every rune, no. But I do own some of the more obscure ones like Revival and Crit Damage.

Some of the customizations I like (such as starting a game with 20% CDR on Nasus, or having extra Crit Damage on Jhin) will go away with the change to the Runes. I'm OK with that, because I think that there are more interesting things that can be done with the new system Riot is working on.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

other then you eating KFC and doing school work what else are you doing with your FREE TIME you sit in front of your damn computer and play video games...

if you had something more precious to do with your time you wouldnt be spending it playing video games...

come on man get out of with that shyt

ChønklordMay 26, 20174 votes

You realize not everyone is a 12 year old kid in middle school just learning about their body / finding what real food is, right:?

I mean, I'm 32 years old.

Śilver skyeJun 13, 20174 votes

yea just played a game for 7 years? well i'm deleting all your chars the saved files where free so so it doesnt matter if you got all the was to level 95 in it cause the char slots where free and you can just make another char.. and we also will delete all your gold in all your games... you didnt pay to get that equipment with real money so we are going to trash it you can just start over and if you want to keep your stuff make sure you pay for it or we will delete it <--- bad logic

rtbf221651412May 26, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-25T23:57:51.438+0000)

why would riot need to compensate anyone for runes? when you got IP as a in game currency for free just for playing ?

So basically 70 hours or more (prob a lot more) for 300k IP shouldn't be refunded. Sounds legitimate. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Who is TaliyahMay 26, 20171 votes

eh you said prob a lot more, but it's still not enough to get it right.

Imagine 70 hours. Waiting in queue + champ select before a game ~10 minutes. The game itself 30 minutes

70 hours = 4200 minutes 4200/30 = 140 games. 140 * 80 IP (average) = roughly 11k IP

300k IP are about 3750 games not calculating the first win of a day.

Here is something to compare the 3750 games with.

I play since march 2013 50 months I have played about 5000 games, which are about 100 games a month, which are about 400k IP not calculating the first win of the day.

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

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eh you said prob a lot more, but it's still not enough to get it right.

Imagine 70 hours. Waiting in queue + champ select before a game ~10 minutes. The game itself 30 minutes

70 hours = 4200 minutes 4200/30 = 140 games. 140 * 80 IP (average) = roughly 11k IP

300k IP are about 3750 games not calculating the first win of a day.

Here is something to compare the 3750 games with.

I play since march 2013 50 months I have played about 5000 games, which are about 100 games a month, which are about 400k IP not calculating the first win of the day.

I know it wasn't enough. I'm just not going to spend time figuring it out. Hence, not a little more. A LOT more.

Who is TaliyahMay 26, 20171 votes

That's fine.

Just wanted to get it right. 70 hours just sounded like way too low.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

what are u gonna use the REFUNDED IP FOR ?

champs that dont exist?

hell i wish i had something to spend my IP on

people cry about runes having a cost and need to be free... well they are free... you dont pay $ for them... you are rewarded with the IP by riot to make you wanna play and grind out more games to get more IP therefore you get more addicted to the game and play more therefore you will end up spending more $ for skins or watching pro play etc

riot dont owe you shit for IP if they do away with runes

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:39:45.985+0000)

what are u gonna use the REFUNDED IP FOR ?

champs that dont exist?

hell i wish i had something to spend my IP on

people cry about runes having a cost and need to be free... well they are free... you dont pay $ for them... you are rewarded with the IP by riot to make you wanna play and grind out more games to get more IP therefore you get more addicted to the game and play more therefore you will end up spending more $ for skins or watching pro play etc

riot dont owe you shit for IP if they do away with runes

Dude, if you wanted to keep a consumer base, what you are saying would be one way to get rid of your older consumer base.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

how is getting rid of a free in game currency gonna get rid of a consumer base?

the game is still FREE TO PLAY

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:45:12.102+0000)

how is getting rid of a free in game currency gonna get rid of a consumer base?

the game is still FREE TO PLAY

Do you even understand how F2P works in regards to money?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

lol pleease explain how not having runes and not getting IP refund has to do with $ and how its gonna make its consumer go away ?

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:48:14.148+0000)

lol pleease explain how not having runes and not getting IP refund has to do with $ and how its gonna make its consumer go away ?

So you don't.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

waiting for your to enlighten me

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:49:41.922+0000)

waiting for your to enlighten me

Waiting for you to actually want to listen.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

how many times do i have to say im waiting for you to explain

is that hard to understand ?

rtbf221651412May 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:51:36.645+0000)

how many times do i have to say im waiting for you to explain

is that hard to understand ?

Expecting honesty from you is like expecting popcorn to pop in a freezer.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

so basically you are dragging this out cuz you have nothing

thanks

moving along now

Śilver skyeJun 13, 20171 votes

it takes 453 days playing 10 hours every day no breaks to get to 400k witch is how much it costs to own every rune..

BakedLotionMay 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-25T23:57:51.438+0000)

why would riot need to compensate anyone for runes? when you got IP as a in game currency for free just for playing ?

Time isn't free. That IP could've been used for champions.

You spend months building rune pages, and avoided buying champions and then they make runes free. Now you're behind even the new players because they get to buy champions straight up without ever investing in runes.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

RIOT DONT WANT YOU TO USE IP FOR CHAMPS

that is why there is RP they are a company not a charity

BakedLotionMay 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:51:13.884+0000)

RIOT DONT WANT YOU TO USE IP FOR CHAMPS

that is why there is RP they are a company not a charity

I'm sorry but where did they ever say "We want you to spend RP for champions"?

How is compensating people for wasting their time a charity lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

how are u wasting time? whether or not there was IP in the 1st place isnt why you play the game... it is just a reward for playing...

the 2000 games or whatver you might of played you were gonna play anyways

BakedLotionMay 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T00:55:01.964+0000)

how are u wasting time? whether or not there was IP in the 1st place isnt why you play the game... it is just a reward for playing...

the 2000 games or whatver you might of played you were gonna play anyways

And you would've been rewarded in those 2000 games because you would've bought champions instead of runes.

You are one stubborn kid. It's pretty clear you're making no sense considering everyone is stacked against you lmao

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

people are stacked against me cuz they want to something for nothing

and im no fukin kid... get that straight right now brah .. .

people are crying fowl over free fake stuff in a video game that means nothing

it dont hurt your wallet or what you spend on the game... it dont change any of that.

BakedLotionMay 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T01:00:22.428+0000)

people are stacked against me cuz they want to something for nothing

and im no fukin kid... get that straight right now brah .. .

people are crying fowl over free fake stuff in a video game that means nothing

it dont hurt your wallet or what you spend on the game... it dont change any of that.

Idk man you're pretty edgy

Spamming those downvotes on everyone u don't agree with is pretty dope too

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

not edgy at all you were the one to result to trying to insult me to get your point across

btw just cuz a group of people disagree dont mean they are right... and or im wrong...

hell look at all the people who voted for trump they seem wrong dont they ?

HaIlMonitorMay 26, 20171 votes

Rune pages, runes, time all take time and or money.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

does it take more time then u already spent playing the game itself ?

you still spend the time playing the actual game. you get IP as a reward to keep you playing and if you feel like you are wasting time then dont play the game

HaIlMonitorMay 26, 20171 votes

Money is the big one. I have a decent job so I bought my rune pages, now they would be void. I wouldnt care about the runes themselves, but the RP I spend on stuff. Overall I like the idea of removing rune pages and increasing base stats.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

but for people to cry foul over the removal of runes and feel they should be compensated for IP kinda dont make sense . like i stated IP is just a reward system riot came up with to make people want to play more and in the end by playing more you are more likely to spend actual $ on RP ... just like with the hextech crafting stuff.

but if they did away with all of the RUNES i wouldnt cry i want to be compensated for the IP i used to get the runes

and just cuz somethign was and now isnt dont mean any thing prior to said change needs to be back dated and make the same.

for example legalization of "green" where there are people who are doing time for convictions for "green" in the states/areas it is now legal they arent going back and over turning all of those convictions because at the time it was illegal ... just cuz the law now changed it dont back date to the start when the law was established making that substance illegal in the 1st place

That Black OreoMay 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=00000003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T01:08:13.362+0000)

but for people to cry foul over the removal of runes and feel they should be compensated for IP kinda dont make sense . like i stated IP is just a reward system riot came up with to make people want to play more and in the end by playing more you are more likely to spend actual $ on RP ... just like with the hextech crafting stuff.

but if they did away with all of the RUNES i wouldnt cry i want to be compensated for the IP i used to get the runes

and just cuz somethign was and now isnt dont mean any thing prior to said change needs to be back dated and make the same.

for example legalization of "green" where there are people who are doing time for convictions for "green" in the states/areas it is now legal they arent going back and over turning all of those convictions because at the time it was illegal ... just cuz the law now changed it dont back date to the start when the law was established making that substance illegal in the 1st place

well its only legal varrified that u carry less than or equal to an ounce on you but I understand yourstatement :3

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 26, 20171 votes

funny thing is even in states where it is medically legal and legal to carry less then an ounce its still illegal on a federal level.

and here in the county i live in they just change it where its a cite and release (meaning ticket ) for up to 4 oz of possession

its still consider a class A misdemeanor subject to fine and county jail time. .. but you are now treated as if its a speeding ticket and giving a citation and required to appear in court instead of being arrested

and we all know 4 oz is a lot of STUFF

GE0RGEJun 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YEkuHrfZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-25T23:57:51.438+0000)

why would riot need to compensate anyone for runes? when you got IP as a in game currency for free just for playing ?

IP spent on runes is not necessarily free. A "10 Wins IP Boost" costs 670 RP. 650 RP costs $5. Each boost doubles your IP for a win. An average win earns you about 100 IP. So it costs roughly $5 per extra 1000 IP. Say a person spent 300K IP on runes. If it was all from boosts, that is $1,500 in boosts. Under Riot's terms and conditions, they could remove runes without refunds. They could also remove a champion and not refund you for your newly purchased skins.

Yes, I know it is doubtful. However, people pay to play online games. League was released in 2009. That means people have had 8 years to spend their money. If they spent just $15 a month, after 8 years that is nearly $1500.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJun 29, 20171 votes

why would you pay for IP boost?

sorry if people fell for this ... but why would i give $ for a free in game currency

oh fyi i have all champs, 20 rune pages and more runes then i used. i have spent about $325 on this game via RP and majority of that was gifting champ/skins to friends

i started playing end of season 2/preseason of season 3

Mysticman89May 26, 20173 votes

I expect the rune system would be replaced with something else, and we'd probably get the IP equivalent in whatever new system. Or it may be that they give us IP compensation directly.

I highly doubt they'd just remove runes and say "sorry guys, but you at least got value out of them while they did exist right?" or anything like that. They've mentioned they weren't really happy with runes for several seasons now, but it's a big undertaking to remove/replace them, both because many things have been balanced around them, and because of compensation issues along these lines that they need to figure out how to deal with.

Mr CrowlyJun 22, 20173 votes

I payed RP for extra rune pages. THERE and that's real money is it not? yeah stop arguing against compensation and if you really don't wana be compensated then you can just delete your account and make a new one; see everyone's happy that way. you can also start a club comprising of like-minded individuals and donate RP to us because hey.. why not lul.[slayer-jinx-wink]

Critmaster GarenJun 13, 20172 votes

they said theyre looking into compensaiting people who have spent a lot of ip on runes.

SerengeteiSep 3, 20171 votes

hell no some of us put a lot of effort in our rune page set ups! and spend a ton on extra rune pages i for example have max pages so all in all it gos to up in smoke and left with nothing? wdf!!