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The forced icon equipping for missions

lunnainn··9 votes·719 views

I seriously dont get it.

We have vanity icons for a reason, some demands you purchasing them for real money, some earned - we use them for a reason. Vanity. We like them.

Personally, I like to show off my last season ranked reward atm. That'll probably change to show the cute Morgana-chibi icon in a while. Or the Rose. Sometimes I enjoy using my DJ Sona icons. It's all about my mood, what kind of icon I wanna use right now.

To be forced to use a specific icon, which most of the time also is ugly (Yes, the project icon for missions now is ugly, as have most of the others been as well, including the yasuo/riven ones, and those I liked the best of all these mission icons), is not only causing me to dislike missions, but also pisses me off a bit.

It's a vanity thing. I wanna show off something I like to have as an icon, be it some cool icon I paid for, or be it something I feel like I got as an "achievement".

Do. Not. Force. Me. To. Use. Your. Ugly. Icons. To. Do. Missions. (or any for that matter - this is the important part)

I dont like it. I dont like the mechanics of missions if those forced icons are there. I literally dont care if you have a special reason for forcing us to use icons, such as being able to separate numbers to be all "oh, during mission time, we collected 5 million gold! (really we did 15 million, but only a third used our forced icon)".

I dont care. Dont force me to use icons to participate in missions.

36 Comments

archerno12 votes

If u dont like it feel free not to do missions.

lunnainn2 votes

That's how it's been for the last few missions, basically. But the thing is, with the new changes, you actually miss out a lot by not doing missions.

It's like saying "hey, you get those 500g at the start of the game for free, you dont have to use that gold!".

archerno11 votes

{quoted}

That's how it's been for the last few missions, basically. But the thing is, with the new changes, you actually miss out a lot by not doing missions.

It's like saying "hey, you get those 500g at the start of the game for free, you dont have to use that gold!".

But there are people who want to choose not to do missions for whatever reason. Icon gives u choice whether u will or wont do them.

lunnainn4 votes

I'm sorry, but that's actually one really bad reason to keep icons for missions.

Having a forced icon for completing missions, because it prevents people to passively accomplish missions which they "wouldnt want to do" even when every benefit they need to progress is given by missions.. Excuse me, but that's actually daft.

It would make more sense to "opt out" of missions in that case, to actively make the decision to not participate by checking in a box, instead of forcing the use of an icon in order to opt in.

I get it, people dont like me complaining about the use of an icon, but as I said, it's a vanity thing. It was introduced as a vanity thing, it was even a "pay for vanity"-thing just like skins. And now they have a way to force a use of an icon despite some of us wanting another icon, which we might have paid for?

Yeah, maybe it doesnt matter to a new account if you use Tibbers or the Rose - but to a seasoned account, perhaps we want to show our pride in our ranked-icon (accomplishment) or something we paid for (SKT T1-support icon, for instance).

If I'm supposed to be forced to use an icon to participate in missions that could give me XP or tokens (meaning skin-, champion-, icon-, or even BE-rewards), or anything else, I shouldnt have been able to pay for icons in the first place. I shouldnt be forced between using something I paid real money for, or something I dont want to use, in order to be rewarded - that's like "hey, you paid us, thanks a bunch, now you cant use it or you wont be rewarded!".

Excuse my english, but that's a fucked up way to treat your costumers.

archerno11 votes

{quoted}

I'm sorry, but that's actually one really bad reason to keep icons for missions.

Having a forced icon for completing missions, because it prevents people to passively accomplish missions which they "wouldnt want to do" even when every benefit they need to progress is given by missions.. Excuse me, but that's actually daft.

It would make more sense to "opt out" of missions in that case, to actively make the decision to not participate by checking in a box, instead of forcing the use of an icon in order to opt in.

I get it, people dont like me complaining about the use of an icon, but as I said, it's a vanity thing. It was introduced as a vanity thing, it was even a "pay for vanity"-thing just like skins. And now they have a way to force a use of an icon despite some of us wanting another icon, which we might have paid for?

Yeah, maybe it doesnt matter to a new account if you use Tibbers or the Rose - but to a seasoned account, perhaps we want to show our pride in our ranked-icon (accomplishment) or something we paid for (SKT T1-support icon, for instance).

If I'm supposed to be forced to use an icon to participate in missions that could give me XP or tokens (meaning skin-, champion-, icon-, or even BE-rewards), or anything else, I shouldnt have been able to pay for icons in the first place. I shouldnt be forced between using something I paid real money for, or something I dont want to use, in order to be rewarded - that's like "hey, you paid us, thanks a bunch, now you cant use it or you wont be rewarded!".

Excuse my english, but that's a fucked up way to treat your costumers.

But ICON system gives u choice whether you wanna do it or not. If you have, for example, people with OCD, completionists and they dont really wanna do mission and suddenly on their account they have mission progress 13325/44000 gold, that would bother them. By not putting icon they choose not to do missions. By putting icon u choose to do them.

lunnainn2 votes

And I just gave a suggestion of how to fix that.

By having you to actively opt out through a checkbox at the missions list.

And now I'm confused - you care about people with OCD that wants to be able to opt in or out of missions, but you have no such consideration about the people who dont want to have an icon they dont want? One type of "out of my control"-thing is something you bash on, but another you defend?

I'm a completionist - I like to have a complete set of everything, be it icons in Leagues case (even though I had to realize I couldnt get them all, since that would cost too much money), or pets (in games like WoW etc) or whatever it is. Not clearing missions is bugging the hell out of me.

But I dont want to be forced to use an icon that I dont want to use in order to do it. Maybe noone else in the entire game will care about my Ezreal-epic-skin Icon, or my 5v5-Ranked-Challenger-Icon-Top-3 Icon, or my Purple DJ Sona Icon - but I do. And it bugs me the hell out if I'm not using the one I want to use.

archerno11 votes

{quoted}

And I just gave a suggestion of how to fix that.

By having you to actively opt out through a checkbox at the missions list.

And now I'm confused - you care about people with OCD that wants to be able to opt in or out of missions, but you have no such consideration about the people who dont want to have an icon they dont want? One type of "out of my control"-thing is something you bash on, but another you defend?

I'm a completionist - I like to have a complete set of everything, be it icons in Leagues case (even though I had to realize I couldnt get them all, since that would cost too much money), or pets (in games like WoW etc) or whatever it is. Not clearing missions is bugging the hell out of me.

But I dont want to be forced to use an icon that I dont want to use in order to do it. Maybe noone else in the entire game will care about my Ezreal-epic-skin Icon, or my 5v5-Ranked-Challenger-Icon-Top-3 Icon, or my Purple DJ Sona Icon - but I do. And it bugs me the hell out if I'm not using the one I want to use.

So instead of opting in ,they should change it to opt out because 1 random guy doesnt like it?

lunnainn1 votes

First of all, I'm alone in this particular thread. However, I dare to say that I am not the only one who doesnt like this.

Second of all, to be completely honest I am surprised that this even have to be a question about opt-in or opt-out at all. What they should have done, is to just make missions available passively for everyone. But if they should've made it opt-in/opt-out, they should have made it a tickbox in the missions-list, instead of arbitrarily an icon usage.

Third, can you please explain to me why you disagree, if this whole ordeal about icons "doesnt matter anyway"? Why not let people have their way if you dont really care either way?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Now, we're in a generation where people takes icon holding seriously...

Like wow, I bet you holding the Bronze 3 icon grants you 100 AD or 3000 HP at the start of the game. Or maybe if I click your champion in-game, I'll get to see the Tibber icon instead of the champion's face.

lunnainn4 votes

Feel free to mock me if you want to, but being an asshat doesnt invalidate my point. I already mentioned it being a vanity thing, didnt I?

And yeah, "takes icon holding seriously" - if I pay money to have a specific icon, I damn well take it seriously enough to complain about being forced to use another icon.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

if I pay money to have a specific icon

https://media.giphy.com/media/1M9fmo1WAFVK0/giphy.gif

I mean it's just an icon. 99% of players don't even give a shit about it, since we're not going to look at it in-game at all. Imo, it's more money-wasting than Emotes.

lunnainn2 votes

Sure, I dont agree with the number you pulled out of the air - but if "99% of players dont even give a shit about it", then why do you complain about one of the rest do care?

You're not really missing out on me getting this across, are you?

"Money-wasting" indeed. Even more so when Riot tries to force me to not even use what I paid for. But that's the thing about "vanity-items". Noone forces you to use skins either.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Well they didn't. We're not forced to use PROJECT skins to finish the current missions, unlike the PROJECT icon where we got for free. If we're forced to use skins to finish missions, THAT would be money-wasting.

lunnainn1 votes

The thing is, the skins are also a money-wasting vanity thing.

Noone forces you at all to use them, or even buy them, but if you have bought them and want to use them, wouldnt "not allowing you to use them" be pissing you off - even so slightly?

Yes, buying vanity icons are a "waste of money", especially when they force you to use icons you dont want to use. I agree with you on that.

It's easily changed, by them not forcing you to not use it. Then it's merely another vanity item you spend money on, something that doesnt affect anyone else but you.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

You do know there's a big difference between skins & icons right? One has different kinds of layouts & unique animations on champions in-game, while all icon serve is to "just look good" for 10-30 seconds at loading screen and then becomes absent for the rest of the match.

lunnainn1 votes

Yes, I do.

However, both are "vanity items". There's no reason to use either, except for "looking good" or "looking fun". Some icons actually have some sort of ingame mechanic, for instance the RGM-icons, such as the kill-orbit-laser, etc.

And even if you consider them useless after the loadingscreen, it's still something I want.

If icons are no big deal at all, can you please go change your Ascension-icon to the Green Minion Icon? I mean, icons serves no purpose at all, right?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

However, both are "vanity items". There's no reason to use either, except for "looking good" or "looking fun". Some icons actually have some sort of ingame mechanic, for instance the RGM-icons, such as the kill-orbit-laser, etc.

Good exceptions would be, yes, the URF death-animated icon set. That would be something that's actually worth locking icons with.

If icons are no big deal at all, can you please go change your Ascension-icon to the Green Minion Icon? I mean, icons serves no purpose at all, right?

So you're telling me to switch from mayonnaise to ketchup? Do you see how stupid your question is..? (IIRC, wasn't this icon free as well? And you have a problem with locking in that free Project icon...)

Plus, I've not used this account for like 2 years.

lunnainn1 votes

No, I'm asking you to change your icon. I mean, icons werent a big deal anyway, who cares what icons you want to use? If icons arent anything to care about anyway, you shouldnt really object me telling you what icons you should use, should you?

Yes, it was free. It was given as a reward for doing the Ascension RGM at one point. I dont have any objections to icons as a reward, not at all - I'm objecting that you're not freely allowed to use whatever icon you want for anything, that there's restrictions to anything unless you use a specific icon.

But again - if icons are such a non-deal, why arent you changing your icon from Ascension to something I want you to use?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Plus, I've not used this account for like 2 years.

lunnainn1 votes

Yeah? So?

I'm not asking you to keep playing. I'm asking you to change your icon. Icons meant nothing, right?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I don't like having to wait 4+ hours to update my client just to satisfy your immature stubbornness.

I'm also getting the feeling that you missed the point. My point being that locking in whatever icons you're using is not that big of an issue at all compared to gameplay, especially when locking whatever icons you're currently using does not affect your match stats at all.

Currently in my other account that I'm using, I'm holding onto the Gold icon which I've just received for my Ranked performance, and I'm planning to switch to the PROJECT icon in order to complete the missions & set it there til the last date. Hence, having to swap off my "Ranked Rewards" to a Mission locked icon for the next 2 weeks is, again, not a big issue at all.

lunnainn1 votes

It wont take 4h to update your client, also I find it hard to believe that you hang around the boards to a game for 2+ years when you dont even play the game. If you play the game, you have your client updated already. You playing on another account gives that away - atmost, it'll be a short update to change servers, which will be like 2 minutes tops with a bad connection.

And no, I'm not missing the point. I know that icons arent impacting the game - THAT'S NOT THE POINT. We're not talking about runes or anything like it - I've stated from the very start that we're talking about vanity.

And no, for you it might not be a "big issue". Some of us do care though. You dont. Which is fine and dandy - I'm not complaining about that. I dont even care what icon you use, or why you use it.

But that's not the point. While you dont care, others do - me being one of those people. It's not a big deal to you, but to some it is.

Edit - also, "immature stubborness" - nothing of the sort. I was trying to get the point across that if icons arent a big deal, then changing yours for whatever reason shouldnt be an issue, even if it's just me, a random player, telling you to switch off your Ascension-icon. It's the point that you're not in control of what icons you're using, regardless of who decides it for you.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

oh noes! they are forcing you to use an icon something that nobody nor you actually gets to see for the vast majority of your time in the game and that you more than likely forget it even exist.

lunnainn3 votes

I dont wear an icon or skin for someone elses sake. I wear them for my own, and yes, I know they're there even if everyone else forgets about them.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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I dont wear an icon or skin for someone elses sake. I wear them for my own, and yes, I know they're there even if everyone else forgets about them.

well guess what? you can choose to not do the missions and have your so important icon that you want to use instead. Nobody is forcing you, you could just equip the icon they want, do the missions and instantly switch back to whatever was that you were using before. The more people who use the icons the faster the missions will be done.

But who cares about that, an icon is the most important aspect of league. Something you barely see and has zero impact on the game, something that you only care about when you actually have to think about it and otherwise it's just there.

lunnainn2 votes

"Nobody is forcing you, you could just equip the icon they want, do the missions and instantly switch back" - but that's the thing.. then I'm forced to have an icon that I do not want to have.

For instance, I got the champion Zoe, and I got a mission of 3 parts, when succeed I get 1000xp. Pretty decent. Imagine I now have to use a specific icon to accomplish these parts - but it's an icon I dont want. Now I have to use the icon I dont want for how many games, because one champ select she's banned, one the enemy team takes her, one a teammate takes her, etc, and I'm forced to use this icon I dont want to have, because I cant even change it after pick/ban. (Yes, I know it's not an actual example, since Zoe-missions dont force me to use a specific icon).

And yes, I can chose to not do the missions. But doing so, I actively opt out of XP-rewards, Token-rewards (that translates into BE), and those are pretty much the only progress you gain outside of the miniscule xp-amount you get for each game. Missions has effectively become the way to progress, and not doing missions makes your progress take so much longer time.

And you can try to mock me as much as you want to - it has no impact on the game, I agree with you on that. You actively ignore the part I did say about it all. It's a vanity thing.

If you dont care about the vanity part, then good for you. Then I dont understand why you're here complaining about me taking this up - it's a thing you dont care about, so what does it affect you?

ZephyrDrake1 votes

{quoted}

"Nobody is forcing you, you could just equip the icon they want, do the missions and instantly switch back" - but that's the thing.. then I'm forced to have an icon that I do not want to have.

For instance, I got the champion Zoe, and I got a mission of 3 parts, when succeed I get 1000xp. Pretty decent. Imagine I now have to use a specific icon to accomplish these parts - but it's an icon I dont want. Now I have to use the icon I dont want for how many games, because one champ select she's banned, one the enemy team takes her, one a teammate takes her, etc, and I'm forced to use this icon I dont want to have, because I cant even change it after pick/ban. (Yes, I know it's not an actual example, since Zoe-missions dont force me to use a specific icon).

And yes, I can chose to not do the missions. But doing so, I actively opt out of XP-rewards, Token-rewards (that translates into BE), and those are pretty much the only progress you gain outside of the miniscule xp-amount you get for each game. Missions has effectively become the way to progress, and not doing missions makes your progress take so much longer time.

And you can try to mock me as much as you want to - it has no impact on the game, I agree with you on that. You actively ignore the part I did say about it all. It's a vanity thing.

If you dont care about the vanity part, then good for you. Then I dont understand why you're here complaining about me taking this up - it's a thing you dont care about, so what does it affect you?

first world problems! not being able to use something that doesn't matter in the slightest! look at how much i care!

lunnainn1 votes

I can see that you care a great deal about it, otherwise you wouldnt send so much time trying to troll me here.

Yes, it's a first world problem. I'm kinda blessed about being able to care about icons I paid money to not use because I get forced to use another icon just to be able to do missions, instead of trying to stay alive during bombings, famine or what not.

I'm glad you dont have to care about any first world problems at all, I'm glad that you live in such an existence that you dont have to be bugged about anything.

But if I'm able to pay for something, I damn well want to make sure to be able to use it any time I want to, and using the excuse "you dont have to do missions" is kinda invalid, because, yeah, I dont have to gain levels on my account either. But good luck trying to play ranked with that lvl 1 account, or try to jungle pre-9. After all, you dont have to, and you didnt even spend money on your account!

ZephyrDrake1 votes

{quoted}

I can see that you care a great deal about it, otherwise you wouldnt send so much time trying to troll me here.

Yes, it's a first world problem. I'm kinda blessed about being able to care about icons I paid money to not use because I get forced to use another icon just to be able to do missions, instead of trying to stay alive during bombings, famine or what not.

I'm glad you dont have to care about any first world problems at all, I'm glad that you live in such an existence that you dont have to be bugged about anything.

But if I'm able to pay for something, I damn well want to make sure to be able to use it any time I want to, and using the excuse "you dont have to do missions" is kinda invalid, because, yeah, I dont have to gain levels on my account either. But good luck trying to play ranked with that lvl 1 account, or try to jungle pre-9. After all, you dont have to, and you didnt even spend money on your account!

"troll you" sure. I do not give a damn about your first world problems that have no meaning whatsoever. You chose to pay for whatever icon so just like you chose to do that you can choose to do the missions by equipping an icon and then using it for a few games and then get rid of without anything of value being lost

lunnainn1 votes

You dont care about first world problem of forced icon usage, yet here you are, telling me how much you:

  1. dont care,
  2. consider it waste of time and effort, because "noone cares about icons",
  3. think it's perfectly fine of Riot to force usage of a specific icon because "icons have no meaning whatsoever".

But if you dont care about whether or not you use an icon, why do you spend so much time telling me that I shouldnt care?

Thing is, I do care. If you dont, then fine.

If you cared, but instead you were in favor of the method they have now, then FINE - atleast make your case for the current implementation and state that you want it this way. But if you dont care either way, then why are you even here?

If this is a "non issue" for you, then I dont get why you make such a big deal out of this, unless you are just trying to troll me (inticing a response by provocing unnecessarily, and I can even quote what you did; "first world problems! not being able to use something that doesn't matter in the slightest! look at how much i care!").

The thing is, the current method they have in use is something that actively bugs me, and I want it changed. You, however, are only here to complain about me complaining - you dont care whether or not they have this system or another, but yet you're here arguing about it. You dont want to change it, but you also dont care as you said.

Well, if you dont care, it shouldnt be a problem for you if we made a change to it. So being here and arguing against my complaints and provoke me for caring "about first world problem", I cant see that as much else than trolling.

Frrz1 votes

Holy shit all these people bashing on OP. I agree with him, screw the forced icons. And for the guy who suggested the opt-in / opt-out points, just make a fucking checkbox next to the mission, BAM, problem fucking solved.

lunnainn1 votes

Thanks. I mean it.

Doctor Piccolo1 votes

He brings a good point why isn't the mission opting in just a checkbox on the mission panel? Are the graphic artists going to be so butthurt if no one uses their icons?

You people are actually defending event icons just because "well that's how it is, deal with it" The old client was complete garbage but I guess we should have kept and defended it, because that is just how it was.

lunnainn1 votes

Thanks. I mean it.

Perfect Plumage1 votes

For what it's worth Riot have said this should be the last event that needs the icon to be equipped.

It's a complete nonsense system that seems to have grown from their old tech.

lunnainn1 votes

They did? THANK GOD, because it's complete ass in lack of better words.

I had completely missed that they said that, the last thing I heard them mentioning the mission system at all, was that "some people dont like this" etc, and referred to - for instance - supports being forced to hunt kills and minions, but I dont recall anything about mission-icons in that thread.

If they said this is the last time that missions will be forcing an icon, that's great.

Now I may actually get missions done in the future.

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