Too many smurfs out there

Sentinel Kaliam·Mar 24, 2015·53 votes·8,925 views

I'm trying to teach my 4 friends league of legends... intermediate bots are too easy/boring. But a team of 5 smurfs... well this happens. If you're going to smurf:

You don't need to be a dick and get mejai's soulstealer against an obvious team of noobs (why is that item in the game, it only encourages smurfing IMO).
And you don't need to be all try hard like this... it only hurts the community.
And at the end of the game you don't need to say "bg too easy" no sh!t you're smurfing and playing against brand new players.

63 Comments

Darkshade24Mar 24, 20159 votes

I'm not sure that these players were smurfs, just better than your team. In lower Elo, especially in normals, one team often gets ahead, and stays ahead, due to the fact that there are so many players in low Elo, and they all do not share the same skill level, and because not many people know how to play from behind, resulting in more deaths.

The main reason Why I don't believe these were smurfs, is their builds. What high Elo Lee gets berserkers? Also, look at Cait's build. She rushed a Stattik Shiv. That's a terrible idea because 1. You need IE for that early damage, and 2. Phantom Dancer is literally a better version of Shiv right now. And what about Lissandra? She got Catalyst, and then didn't upgrade it to Roa, instead getting Rabadons and Mejais. That is not a very good choice.

So I don't believe these players were smurfs, and if they were, pretty low ranking smurfs.

BergkMar 24, 201533 votes

since he left the enemy names uncensored I looked them all up

Annie level 5... 2 wins (probably a smurf, especially with the use of Mejai's)
Warwick level 14... 34 wins (possible smurf, but not enough evidence. For new players, WW is one of the easiest junglers after all)
Lissandra level 5... 2 wins (probably a smurf, especially with the use of Mejai's)
Lee Sin level 11... 20 wins (probably not a smurf, especially looking at other match history. Looking at the kill pattern on this match looks like Warwick camped top).
Caitlyn level 20... 36 wins (probably not a smurf, but carried by the smurf annie in lane with her).

Conclusion, not all smurfs. But probably 2 or 3 with enough experience to snowball the others. But regardless no one needs to say "bg too easy" ever. Report that trash!

RikariMar 24, 20151 votes

you should compare kill participation with their cs and match time,seems like bronze-silver stuff

ZydronMar 24, 20155 votes

They were too busy farming champions m8

shalexadeMar 25, 20152 votes

2 smurfs > 1 smurf.

Doesn't riot matchmaking try to match surfs with other smurfs?

Thus by smurfing with your friends, it's subjecting your friends to other smurfs?

MyozthirirnMar 25, 20153 votes

+1 All i can read is: OMGAD rito i got matched against smurfs while i was smurfing myself because reasons, please remove mejais

You where a premade of 5 with one smurf and 4 newbies, provably matched against a premade of 2-3 newbies that got carried by 2-3 smurfs, they shouldnt be that rude on victory but you clearly deserve the rolfstomp.

If you want your friends to play vs another newbies just let them alone, they will provably lose 3-5 times in a row and then they'll never se a smurf again. On the other hand you can just play with them, win games by yourself ruining everyone elses experience and getting them matched against smurfs

CiandiirNov 16, 20151 votes

thats not true considering how many noob ass players on my team compared to the seamingly unbeatable players im going against on normals just trying to hit 30

shalexadeNov 17, 20151 votes

Holy necro batman! :D

Can I ask, what's the purpose of smurfing these days?

CiandiirNov 21, 20151 votes

apparently to dissuade new players from playing the game thats what i get from it

Sir YamazukiMar 24, 201510 votes

{quoted}

I'm not sure that these players were smurfs, just better than your team. In lower Elo, especially in normals, one team often gets ahead, and stays ahead, due to the fact that there are so many players in low Elo, and they all do not share the same skill level, and because not many people know how to play from behind, resulting in more deaths.

The main reason Why I don't believe these were smurfs, is their builds. What high Elo Lee gets berserkers? Also, look at Cait's build. She rushed a Stattik Shiv. That's a terrible idea because 1. You need IE for that early damage, and 2. Phantom Dancer is literally a better version of Shiv right now. And what about Lissandra? She got Catalyst, and then didn't upgrade it to Roa, instead getting Rabadons and Mejais. That is not a very good choice.

So I don't believe these players were smurfs, and if they were, pretty low ranking smurfs.

You don't have to be high elo to smurf, there are low elo players who make new accounts and easily destroy new players.

mvargusMar 24, 201512 votes

Heck, I haven't played a single ranked game, but if I created a new account I could roll over level 10 and under new players. There is a lot you learn while getting to level 30 the first time and the more you play the better your mechanical play becomes. There is a visible difference between an experience and inexperienced player. It might not be as vast at the difference between a diamond player and a bronze, but it is there.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbMar 24, 20152 votes

That's why, as a plat player, smurfing sub 30 is kinda fun every now and then. Even if you play against other smurfs, odds are stupidly high that you're better than them

Occams RaiserMar 25, 20151 votes

That is why there is a special place in hell for bullies like you. Well if hell existed..... you would be going.

CiandiirNov 16, 20151 votes

smurfs ruin the experience for new players both buy winning the game for them so they dont learn anything or crushing them and the same

OyddAWqJ5rMar 24, 20152 votes

You really think people care about their builds when they smurf? You don't need to build "properly" to crush a team of brand new players.

Ariel the CruelMar 25, 20151 votes

Smurfing is fun. Shitting on people is fun. Smurfing is there for fun.

But smurfs should probably do more than just shit on people.

(This may sound familiar.)

I Kill CommiesMar 24, 20159 votes

TIL that it's bm to buy certain items.

I swear, blow your nose wrong around people these days and they're offended.

Drunk RummateMar 24, 20156 votes

The thing that makes this story truly sad is that the majority of these 'smurfs' are probably people who had their accounts suspended, restricted, or banned for toxic behavior already.

I don't think players with good/neutral intentions, or those who simply want a new account should be prevented from doing so. You have to consider that without all these recycled players going through the 1-30 process, new players would have very few people to play with or against. Smurfing is necessary to keep the leveling up process active for newer players.

I do think that new accounts should somehow be tied to your old account, but I have no idea how to enforce that...

CoolKnightSTMar 24, 20155 votes

Not sure you are even talking about smurfs in this situation:

vs it's like the yi counter dream team. Every single one of them has targeted cc. And the best part is can target the finishing blow
Check your team comp... is the only one in your team with hard cc (that last less than 1 second...). is the only one in your team with soft cc...
support is really not a good idea in that bracket of play. In that bracket I really recommand something like that would have been a lot better alternative and every one of them would provide a lot more utility/cc or damage to the team.
Playing a while teaching your friend the role is really a bad idea. Why didn't you give him something like . Even would have been better in that situation.
Just play comps with more cc and you will have a better experience with your friend. Try: top, jungle, mid, adc, support

DreadlocksMar 24, 20156 votes

i agree, why are ur "new friends" playing champs like Draven Katarina

Sentinel KaliamMar 24, 201514 votes

trust me, I tried to talk them out of it. But their logic was "I was blown up by this champion in one game, it must be OP! I want to do that too!"

BergkMar 24, 201510 votes

besides Draven was just in the free rotation. So I don't blame him for wanting to try him. But I agree with everyone else... play easier champions. IMO easiest champs to learn based on position Top: Garen Jungle: Warwick Mid: Annie ADC: Caitlyn Support: Sona

Occams RaiserMar 25, 20151 votes

Your friends are stupid if a vet such as yourself can't talk them out of playing next level champs. I am guessing you and your friends are young? My friends respect my judgment more than this.

CoolKnightSTMar 24, 20159 votes

Actualy Katarina was a valid midlaner for new players. But those where sources before her kit changes. Not sure it's still smart to play her now. It was more her build that put her in that disadvantage assuming she was laning against Annie or Lissandra the item 3001 road would have been a lot more impactfull in that comp.

43161549_DELMar 24, 20151 votes

why are people downvoting you XD it was true at one point

SociopathFriendMar 24, 20153 votes

Forum community is either really toxic or very reasonable, there is no middle ground.

43161549_DELMar 24, 20151 votes

lol yea

CoolKnightSTMar 24, 20151 votes

Your actualy the first one with the IQ to notice this.

Rus10 TSUMar 24, 20155 votes

Just remember that if someone is starting off from scratch, their champion pool is usually limited to what free rotations are available. I had to take a Brand top lane once when I was starting out, because I didn't know how any of the champs worked. When you go against people who are smurfing, they're going to buy the 450 champs for each role and know how to use them.

The LexerMar 25, 20151 votes

THEY ARE NEW!!!! HOW THE FUCK SHOULD THEY KNOW THIS

Occams RaiserMar 25, 20151 votes

The main friend is not new.

Never Ganks MidMar 24, 20155 votes

I think you guys are missing the point. Not that smurfing shouldn't be allowed, but instead if you do smurf. Don't be a complete asshole about it. He said it himself in the original post:

[{quoted}](name=Sentinel Kaliam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YAVi3HLt,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-24T13:59:16.969+0000) If you're going to smurf:

You don't need to be a dick and get mejai's soulstealer against an obvious team of noobs (why is that item in the game, it only encourages smurfing IMO).

And you don't need to be all try hard like this... it only hurts the community.

And at the end of the game you don't need to say "bg too easy" no sh!t you're smurfing and playing against brand new players.

JedenVojakMar 24, 20154 votes

Mejai's is an item that exists in the game to be bought. The other team decided it would be likely they would continue to get kills so they built it.
There is no such thing as "tryhard" - you're either playing to win or you're not. Any means taken within the game to achieve victory are legitimate.
That's probably unnecessary, but people are how they are and sometimes people are dicks - it is not limited to this game. You can let it get you down or you can accept it and deal with it.

MorsigilMar 24, 20152 votes

Err... In the context of the game, this outcome is not that unusual or surprising. Even playing against people my own mmr/elo/skill level/whatever, I've gone 22/7 as Varus (8/20/14). Does that mean I was smurfing? No. I just snowballed really hard and the other players didn't or couldn't adapt to our team comp. You're more likely to see that from new players (lack of adaptation), and from Lissandra (snowballing). Lissandra, when played by a more experienced player, is going to be particularly devastating to less experienced players because of her high power and high mobility kit.

P.S. if you look at my match history please understand that for a while now I've only been playing while wicked drunk. =P

Lt StrekoMar 24, 20152 votes

I made a smurf to play with my friend and so I can learn new champions (I only use like the same two/three). The number of tryhard smurfs was insane. I don't mind most smurfing but when they're mercilessly crushing new players while running items like sword of the occult and mejai's it's really unfair. If I was a new player dealing with that I'd be hesitant to ever play league again.

76SummersMar 24, 20152 votes

you killed all of them once...ALL THIER BASE BELONG TO YOU

Rus10 TSUMar 24, 20152 votes

The reason it seems like some of these guys were smurfs: their summoner's names. Annie seems like an obvious one by hers. I made a smurf account once to help a new friend and used like rustycanz or something to that extent be funny (and it was a play on my first name). Having the name, 1337feeder123 just looks smurfy to me.

SwiffyMar 25, 20152 votes

I agree completely... its just shattering and demoralizing

HighSod1umGamingMar 25, 20152 votes

I do not agree with you nor Riot's views on censoring media just to help you feel better

KaisadiIIaMar 25, 20152 votes

You won't get banned if you don't deserve it.

HighSod1umGamingMar 25, 20151 votes

No one deserves to be banned just because of some righteous little worthless human being who would rather ruin someones account than move on. If anything reporters should be banned for being so malicious in their whiny little sense of "justice"

ThePlasticSporkMar 25, 20151 votes

I get the feeling that Lissandra and Lee Sin might not have been smurfs just based on their build alone. Either that or they were deliberately building weirdly, or are simply not actually that good at the game if they ARE smurfs. How do you know that the enemy team wasn't comprised of just a couple smurfs trying to teach some friends to play the game, just like you were?

Anyways, you guys had a really terrible team comp (very little CC, no form of initiate, and no real tank), and there's no way a player who's that new to the game is gonna understand how to play Draven or Kat.

Honestly, I've got a group of friends who got started on league several months ago. I've been playing with them since they were about level 10 or so, and yeah, you're gonna run into some matchmaking hiccups because there's just NOT that many people who are sub-30 that aren't smurfs. I explained that to them and tried to teach them the game as best I could, but the vast majority of our games were losses. You just need to be ready for that, because accurate matchmaking is near impossible for premades like that.

MaliginantMar 25, 20151 votes

From experience, once you stomp one or two player games as a smurf you're placed against other smurfs. If you're a good player you'll still win but you'll stop getting first blood at 0:30 and a penta at 12:00.

2 much sauuuceMar 25, 20151 votes

At least on my smurfs I play like a noob...

And I NEVER trash talk. In fact I like to teach my team the basics if they are receptive.

SammystormMar 25, 20151 votes

your problem is that because you are smurfing you win the majority of your games so riots matchmaking places you with other people who win as often as you which is usually smurfs. At the very least people with a lot of moba experience.

whensmarvelMar 25, 20151 votes

If there were a way to link a new account to your main (make some way to verify both accounts to stop account boosting/sharing).

What that should do is significantly increase the amount of exp the secondary account gets making it get to level 30 quicker making them have to play normals or other game modes for IP.

Well this is for the people who want multiple accounts without affecting new players games

HeraldOneMar 25, 20151 votes

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The LexerMar 25, 20151 votes

Once again, THESE ARE BRAND NEW PLAYERS. A TEAM OF NEW PLAYERS SHOULD NEVER STOMP

SookoMar 25, 20151 votes

I tried smurfing once. Only played one game as Nunu support and I felt really disgusted. We won that match, I honored my enemies and since then devoted that account to Coop vs AI to help new players. It is still level 5 because I don't go there often, but I remember good times with Heimerdingers with machetes, people bringing Cleanse, and Garens with 1 AP from runes or masteries.

Well, there should be a Skilled Player report somewhere to deal with smurfs. Even if they aren't smurfs, when someone stomps, he deserves a higher MMR to fight enemies that are bigger or as big as him.