Shaco's Damage is a joke

Olgrin·Mar 4, 2019·5 votes·2,284 views

Hi Summoners, I used to be OTP Shaco untill he was reworked, because to me... he is ruined and the goal of this discussion is to make him viable again. I have 460k exp so I consider myself somebody who knows something about Shaco. I used to play him as a bruiser, cause playing full ad assassin in Diamond elo is risky to me and I always found him more useful to be bruiser. I made it to the diamond with Shaco usualy in like 100 games with 65% winrate. I loved playing him due to him beeing unique and you could possibly always adapt your build to make it works vs any teamcomp. Now we get to the point. The damage and possibly "scaling" after his rework is absolutely joke! I had to stop playing him, because Shaco got beaten by anyone even in early game which we all know Shaco was one of the best junglers in early. His Q used to be crit 160% to 220% if i remeber i well. Let's say you got 300 dmg so you would deal about 600 and mby more from behind and possibly kill enemy adc or midlaner quite ez. Have you seen the dmg now? It deals +10 to +50 dmg !!! That's a joke... I know they wanted to nerf Shaco's early so they changed the time he was invis and it gets longer when you max the Q which I find ok, if his early is really that strong thats okay but the dmg nerf... and then the E dmg nerf xD lmao! Usualy in early you have like 80 basic damage on AAs and your E does 55 dmg on 1st rank as a physical dmg and if we consider the fact that you have some armor AND to buy armor is way cheaper and there are more options to ger armor... Shaco's E does almost 0 damage. Imagine your rank 5 damage ablity does 155 physical damage when average armor on enemy team is about at least 70. Consider the fact that you have to max your Q to rank 2 or 3 to make the invis last long enough so you are level 5 and your E does 55 damage which is less than your AA like almost two times. And if you think those 50% additional damage based on enemy missing heath makes difference.... no it really doesnt. Maybe it would be a little bit better if they at least let it be magic damage as it used to be. And by the way the scaling seems to be nice as it is 1.2 bonus damage it makes no difference. I beg Riot to revert Shaco or at least pay attention! I still hope and thinks that Riot made a mistake which they didnt realise because soooo bad scalings and base ability damage can not be meant seriously.... at least that's what belive.

11 Comments

B0akMar 4, 20193 votes

As a Shaco main with over 600,000 exp I agree with you. Shaco gets punished for playing anything but a perfect game. The jungle, tiamat, and ignite nerfs have hurt Shaco even more.

OlgrinMar 4, 20192 votes

Thank you for comment and support. Yea I agree, just tryied Shaco again and unless you play perfect game (as you said) you are screwed. Even tho I had like 2 and half items, Poppy with Cinderhulk only outdamaged me xD

ThefrostyvikingMar 4, 20192 votes

Poppy is supposed to beat you though if you are talking in a 1v1 sense, assassins are supposed to be hardcountered by tanks.

And depending on the game poppy herself should be doing damage, her Q does max HP so if she´s played top into a tank or something with a lot of health then she ends up doing tons of damage just with that.

ThefrostyvikingMar 4, 20192 votes

Problem with old Shaco is that when he was played perfectly he was a absolute monster who wrapped games around himself, people had to develop strategies just to survive against him, if he got ahead carries got deleted from behind Rengar style but no warning at all.

And even post nerfs he still has access to builds using items like triforce+duskblade+tiamant+static and whatever else that lets him walk up behind a carry while fully invisible and nearly instantly kill anyone while ahead.

He lacks any form of meaningful counterplay when he is good and its a massive issue, either he kills you instantly and he is powerful or he doesnt, dies instantly is absolute trash.

What he needs, is a VGU.

ThefrostyvikingMar 4, 20193 votes

The problem with Shaco, especially old Shaco, is that he lacks any form of meaningful counterplay, much like Twitch does when good, but unlike Twitch he doesnt need to hit 3 items to become the absolute menace he can be, just level 3 is enough to give any laner nightmares.

From a carry´s perspective, he walks up to you, fully invisible giving you no warning whatsoever, he runs duskblade to ensure no wards spot him and then he either demolishes your healthbar with his damage boosting items like item 3077 item 3147 item 3078 item 3087 +whatever else or he dies instantly and is just utterly useless.

So, what Shaco needs, is a full blown VGU, i doubt anything short of that will be even remotely helpful.

Fear the KaynMar 4, 20193 votes

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The problem with Shaco, especially old Shaco, is that he lacks any form of meaningful counterplay, much like Twitch does when good, but unlike Twitch he doesnt need to hit 3 items to become the absolute menace he can be, just level 3 is enough to give any laner nightmares.

From a carry´s perspective, he walks up to you, fully invisible giving you no warning whatsoever, he runs duskblade to ensure no wards spot him and then he either demolishes your healthbar with his damage boosting items like +whatever else or he dies instantly and is just utterly useless.

So, what Shaco needs, is a full blown VGU, i doubt anything short of that will be even remotely helpful.

This is the only real answer. He's kept trash tier because his kit is inherently toxic to play against. Shaco mains claim this is "what keeps him fun" but they don't realize this is also the reason hes kept purposely weak.

ThefrostyvikingMar 4, 20191 votes

Mhm, and unlike say Zed you cant see him coming at you at all, nor is there any real time to react to him which means that to balance him his powerbudget has to be extremely skewed to compensate for that potential, especially given that he is a jungler who is active from the moment he hits level 3 or even sooner unlike others like say Evelynn who compensate in the form of a deliberately weak earlygame and the need to land her W to truly be certain of getting kills, that and she has camo rather than stealth meaning she cant walk up right behind you without showing herself.

SaiannaMar 4, 20193 votes

At least return his old JITB, where he could have stacked them closely to each other.... It was so much fun to pull off a kill that way :(

cheex919Mar 4, 20192 votes

yup, cause everytime i play with a shaco in iron-silver elo, i lose 100%. so buff shaco or something

GildarztMar 5, 20192 votes

Problem with shaco is not damage, only.

I'm tired of say this, you can't revert to old shaco right now with the new stealth and db and runes, that would be pretty insane, old shaco Q did 220% total ad damage....

You are not a shaco main, you just want to oneshot people, go play rengar then.