so did riot just kill iceborn gauntlet for anyone with a built in slow?

how do you feel morde wil use the new ? that slow is gonna be wicked

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Removing stacking slows will make Iceborn Gauntlet, Rylai's, Red buff etc less valuable on champions that already have slows on their kits. It also somewhat reduces the value of having multiple champions with frequent slows on the same team. We believe it's a good change for the game though in large part because slows most affect champions without dashes/blinks/leaps. We'd like to help those immobile champs out a bit, reduce some of the power discrepancy between dash/no dash.

But most champions with strong slows already didnt buy slowing items; the strength of items with slows was that they could compound with weaker slows or other long-duration abilities.

With this change, youve pretty much gimped EVERY champion who would even use compounding slows in the first place. Im all for making slows from the same kit not stack, but slows from items SHOULD compound; otherwise youre just wasting gold on a slot inefficient item.

I guess this means over when playing

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Removing stacking slows will make Iceborn Gauntlet, Rylai's, Red buff etc less valuable on champions that already have slows on their kits. It also somewhat reduces the value of having multiple champions with frequent slows on the same team. We believe it's a good change for the game though in large part because slows most affect champions without dashes/blinks/leaps. We'd like to help those immobile champs out a bit, reduce some of the power discrepancy between dash/no dash.

As far as champs like Trundle go we still expect Iceborn Gauntlet to be a decent option. His Q slow has a really short duration, so the overlap period is brief, while his E slow's got a pretty limited radius. It's not as valuable a pick up as it was, but should still be viable. Additionally, as a melee champ very dependent on his own movement speed, we also expect Trundle to be one of the more noticeable beneficiaries of this change, in terms of what he has to deal with from the enemy team.

No one has answered this yet:

How does the new slow stacking work if you apply a 40% 1 second slow and a 20% 5 second slow?

Does it slow you for 40% for 1 second and 20 % for 4 seconds?

Or 40% for 1 second and then zero for the remaining 4 seconds?

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We'd like to help those immobile champs out a bit, reduce some of the power discrepancy between dash/no dash.

Do you expect to see immobile tanky champions who are already pretty strong champions like Cho gath, Amumu, Nasus, Singed become overbearing now that it will be much harder to keep them where they are?

So this is a nerf to support, then?

seems like an infinitely better option on trundle than iceborn, he's already got a lot of slow in his kit

Hey meddler, please take a look here:

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/9d794FkY-slow-why-its-bad-atm-and-how-to-fix-it

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Build Trinity instead and get a movement speed buff?

Unless you build Black Cleaver? and already get that MS buff?

RG I get, but how is slow stacking changes an Olaf nerf? It's not like you were building rylais so his axe slowed more... Axe from range, then catch up and as the slow is wearing off proc IBG. Axe again. IBG again. Each slow will still APPLY, just that only the most effective slow is actually affecting the target, instead of the less effective slows applying at 35% effectiveness... which isn't a big change. Once the big slows wear off, the weaker slows are still there, as long as they have a longer duration. Heck, it's almost a buff for Udyr, Olaf, Nasus, who all get kited and die. (Not really, since it's barely noticeable in the first place, but w/e.)

that was kind of the point of stacking slows though...now only nasus and people with exhaust can slow anyone down to the point where they can be caught and killed (zilean too)

and according to someone else, zilean's being changed to where his W won't activate if both of his targeted abilities are on cooldown...

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In effect, these slow changes seem to be a buff to assassin's and bruisers who would usually get CC locked by a bunch of slows and a few Hard CC

Are u kidding me, the slow stacking is a tool for tanks and** fighters** , Omens, RG, Gauntlet, botrk .The most range champions dont stack slows with a few exceptions . This is a nerf for immobile melees(but yes this is a buff for mobile meele fighters), if they want to fix the problem they must make slowstacking usage acceptable for immobile meele champions only!