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Dear Riot, your adaptive damage system is screwing over support players (and some junglers)

Xinyuo·11/14/2017, 1:49:03 PM·32 votes·4,020 views

I'm gonna keep it short because I'm not a fan of writing big walls

But this adaptive system is anything but adaptive (well, outside it leaning towards w/e you have build most off)

I do, NOT, want, AP on my melee supports, i want AD. I do not want AP every match on bard/lulu/insert other poke heavy champ, i sometimes want AD

Give us a choice at the start of the game to get either AD or AP. This system is terrible at the moment for supps who aren't autofilled bronze 5's who used to run 35 ap on leona in s7.

Edit: i'm delighted some people who give completely dumb arguments like ''YE, JUST RUSH TIAMAT AT LVL 1-3 ON SUPPORTS'' are goin trou this thread downvoting anything (even neutral info) i say. I mean, how can you not be happy that some people rather praise/make excuses for riot for everything they do in hope for better matchmaking RNG(hint: it won't happen) rather than having a solid game. (That said, boards/reddit suffer from ''i upvote/downvote whatever is up/downvoted already, so gj noble and nevra, you started a vote jerk)

I also want to add yet again, that AP is NOT a better stat in a lot of occasions, and building AD items early is NOT an option. People should be allowed to get the stat they want early.

67 Comments

Oleandervine11/14/2017, 1:55:14 PM8 votes

Adaptive is based on your damage output. If you are more slanted to magic damage, you're going to be adaptively getting AP. This is why the tanks get AP. Almost all of the support tanks deal tons of magic damage, and the majority of them have AP scaling in their kits too, while almost none of them have AD scaling. Therefore, while you don't hit harder with autos, having more AP will benefit you in the long run because it will help your abilities scale. Same goes true for Bard and Lulu.

Jerry SeinfeId11/14/2017, 8:15:57 PM3 votes

isn't it based on what you build most of?

build something that gives a bit of AD if you wanna go ad, if you don't idk why you'd care about the adaptive stats.

Like I always build titanic on leo and i get AD just fine. Taric can utilise it pretty well too in my experience. support naut shouldn't care though i did always take ad runes on him, will be interesting to see if i can still oneshot full health minions with relics.

while this isn't the answer you want it's the only solution i can see working. having to choose at the start would reduce the flexibility.

Devilreaper XIII11/14/2017, 3:03:28 PM2 votes

the ap nerf hits sup hard though early game.

Terchio11/17/2017, 1:55:54 PM1 votes

If you really want your AD early, grab a longsword, and all your adaptive damage will be AD. Then you can build into AP and once AP overtakes AD, it will "adapt" into the direction. Problem is, no support wants AD in any realistic sense when AP is readily available in equivalent values. Also, adaptive damage is almost jack until level 6 anyway, by the time your AD harass means next to jack in the first place.

Overall, supports don't have as much AD harass, but neither does anybody else early on with the lack of early game stats. You want that harrass early, you have to grab a keystone balanced around heavy early game power, like Summon Aery or Electrocute. Because most other builds need to build into their effectiveness, there's been basically no better time to build early game harrass. It's not like any build can throw up AD Marks and harrass right back, you have to build that direction. That IS a playstyle now.