Rek'sai : No damage at all

X Red Hood X·Sep 14, 2015·30 votes·7,764 views

I just bought Rek'sai. she is a cool champion. But god she has no damage at all. i cant even fight with others, i hardly get kills. What is this ? RIOT please increase damage of Rek'sai.

71 Comments

EndogenicSep 15, 201517 votes

why are people upvoting you?

you are literally Bronze 5, and you are just straight-up wrong in your thread.

I know people say stuff like, "RANK DOESN'T MATTER, BRONZE/SILVERS KNOW THINGS TOO!". But when a thread like THIS gets made... you're just reinforcing the stereotype that people in low elo have no idea what the heck they are talking about.

Xx420n0sc0p3sxXSep 15, 20151 votes

It's just troll teams holding him back

LadyRenlySep 14, 201516 votes

This is nothing new. Rek sai used to have damage, but with her ult and her tremor sense, we couldn't have that. So she became a knockup bot. People realized she was just a knockup bot, so we had that nerfed too. And then her fury was nerfed.

What she brings to the table outside of cohesive, lcs 5 man strategy, I have no clue.

LintheSep 14, 20158 votes

What she brings to the table outside of cohesive, lcs 5 man strategy, I have no clue.

it sounds like she is supposed to be kind of a mobile ward bot with her tremor sense.

Really sad. I enjoyed playing a couple of months ago.

5000000000000000Sep 15, 20151 votes

inb4 LCS Rek'Sai support, followed by nerf to her Tremor Sense

DorkunedAurasSep 15, 20151 votes

LOL, oh god please no, I love my main so much, please god no

Solaris VentaraJul 10, 20161 votes

originaly she was supposed to be a figher with an assassin like skill set and not much in terms of defence... now people think she has more defence than she realy has

warpenguin555Sep 14, 20158 votes

ya they gutted the hell out of her

AHeroNamedHawkeSep 14, 20157 votes

That's probably because you built a item 3046 instead of item 3071

PapaGreg21Sep 14, 20156 votes

Rek'sai used to be incredibly overpowered and they nerfed her. Then she was well balanced and they nerfed her and nerfed her and nerfed her. Now she is basically a walking spectator in the game. They should let people in spectate mode play as her.

MatezoideSep 15, 20156 votes

Riot nerfed Rek'Sai until she was balanced.

Then they kept hammering the fuck out of her because she was still popular in Pro Games, even when she was mediocre at best in solo-que. As a result, she is a shadow of her former self and incredibly reliant on snowballing.

CarrySep 15, 20152 votes

Replace Rek'Sai with Kha'Zix, Lucian, Kassadin, Leblanc, Lee Sin, Gragas, Azir, Ryze etc. for same story.

This is Riot's favorite thing to do!

ModIts Yuu and MiSep 15, 20152 votes

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Replace Rek'Sai with Kha'Zix, Lucian, Kassadin, Leblanc, Lee Sin, Gragas, Azir, Ryze etc. for same story.

This is Riot's favorite thing to do!

-Kha is fine atm; people just forgot that he's decent because you know, he was broken to all piss for like 2 years. Sorry he's just okay now? -Same damn thing with Lucian. You want him broken again? He -just- got small buffs too. He's decent, sorry he's not OP? -Kass is weak but it's understandable since he's such a hard Champ to balance. I can't blame them. -LB could be better but she still has instagib potential so be careful what you say here. -Lee is fine atm wtf?! Do you want a Lee and Lee only meta again wtf? -Gragas is okay and underrated atm. -Azir requires a team comp around him -Ryze's winrate spikes retardedly high when players have a massive amount of games on him-- well above others. It's also well below others with only a few in Ranked. What does this mean? It means Ryze is viewed as easy when in reality he's harder than people think but when people finally get that down he's actually really broken -Ryze also was severely broken

God DAMN.

And people wonder why everyone on GD fucking laughs about G&B? It's because you guys don't learn do you? Something becomes just okay instead of broken as shit overpowered high up on the meta like they were for years, and suddenly they need massive buffs?

Please stop.

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The fact that this post is actually getting circlejerked with is just sad. Try not building full tank and being astounded when you don't do damage and are 0/10 by 15 minutes, stupid.

I know right?

OneSlickPhonySep 15, 20156 votes

The fact that this post is actually getting circlejerked with is just sad. Try not building full tank and being astounded when you don't do damage and are 0/10 by 15 minutes, stupid.

MadraSep 14, 20155 votes

They wanted to preserve what made her powerful and unique: global pressure and vision- (and high mobility, which is hardly a unique feature in LoL 2015). Those are two of the most critical ingredients to a successful team; especially at high level play. When you budget it fairly, her numbers were obviously going to take a hit in the damage department. It seems like Gragas and Elise are the two top tier jungle picks at the moment. I don't think Gragas' numbers are properly budgeted for how much disruption/tankiness he brings and Elise is the queen of tower diving. If either of those two get nerfed, you'll see Rek'sai get picked more often. At worlds, though, on 5.18; I fully expect to see a lot of Lee Sin; and teams that know how to play around the early game (combined with the nerfs) hitting Elise's win rate pretty hard.

CubedJusticeSep 14, 20152 votes

Now, you say that it's obvious that she wouldn't do much damage, but remember her release. It clearly wasn't obvious to somebody.

Buttigieg 2020Sep 14, 20155 votes

She is no gangplank, but if you are unable to kill people then you are doing something wrong. The main combo of burrow+e+unburrow+auto+q+2 autos+e should be enough to deal ~60% of an enemies hp early and ~30% late. The build should be item 3709 item 3748 item 3071 item 3111 / item 3047 item 3143 item 3065 for maximum damage and tankiness.

ProfirixSep 15, 20157 votes

You will be dead before you can get more than a couple of autos off on your target. This is a late game build. You are not all that tanky before mid-late game and all of your power comes from sitting in their face absorbing the unholy might of the enemy team.

Buttigieg 2020Sep 15, 20152 votes

different order. get titanic, defensive item, then cleaver

The Virgin PerrySep 15, 20153 votes

You seem to be the only person with sense. Rek'sai does a very good amount of damage as a tank. Idk what people are talking about.

Karn BishopSep 15, 20155 votes

I abandoned her the moment i figured out they were just going to chain nerf her, no point in maining a champion that loses all of its strengths.

XonraSep 15, 20155 votes

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I abandoned her the moment i figured out they were just going to chain nerf her, no point in maining a champion that loses all of its strengths.

Is why I don't even bother with new champions until a month or so after release.

3 things tend happen.

They come out too weak (like release Lucian) and get proper buffs, and end up being solid champions. Then I will finally try them out.

They end up being bad on release (like Bard) but DON'T get proper buffs, or just have kits that are awkward to balance, they get tried about, then left to rot.

They end up on the really strong side (Like Rek'Sai) and Riot forgets when to stop nerfing them until they aren't worth playing by the time I get to them.

Riot has done a much better job balancing and fixing older champs, but they still seem clueless when it comes to newly released champions.

Singing LarkSep 15, 20151 votes

Nah man. Bard OP.

The biggest reason why he's a problem is that while learning him (especially his ult), mistakes can cost you games harder than most other champs. He's extremely reliant on landing that Q, which isn't the easiest skillshot to land. Also, most people don't know how to play with a Bard.

If you duo q with an ADC and know how to play him, Bard is SO STRONG.

Guy Fox TeemoSep 14, 20154 votes

Not every champion is meant to do but loads of damage, you probably just don't know when to activate her E, and how to build her, player her a bit more and you will realize how good she is, though she may be to difficult of a champion for low elo players to well with.

SquidblimpSep 15, 20154 votes

Repeated nerfs.

CatastropSep 14, 20153 votes

Rek'Sai isn't really an "I'm going to get kills" Champion. She's your go to Utility Jungler/Stealth Counter.

ProfirixSep 14, 20156 votes

Shes not all that reliable anymore, especially with the knock-up range nerfs. Hell, Zac can knock people up for a longer duration and on a shorter CD than she can. There are so many caveats to playing Rek'sai these days, its no wonder people are choosing champions like Skarner, Gragas, Elise, Ekko, Lee. All of these champions have inherent heavy CC and high base damage. Rek'sai doesn't have that anymore.

ProfirixSep 15, 20153 votes

I have had to bench the poor girl. Aside from a dinky knock-up, she doesn't offer much else to the team. She really can't be played successfully in anything other than pre-made 5s. Even the high-rollers in diamond+ have stopped playing her to a large extent.

With the exception of Saintvicious because he is a badass.

OrangesilkSep 15, 20155 votes

If she doesn't have a microphone to communicate with her 5-man premade she's almost virtually useless.

stealthfox94Sep 15, 20153 votes

Uh What build did you use????? I'm not sure what people on this board are talking about AD bruiser Rek'sai does a lot of damage I don't even understand how people can say she's bad? Her teamfights are meh sure but her early game is great.

Aww KatSep 15, 20153 votes

Rek Sai is amazing. You do a lot of dmg lmao.

Grouchy PoroSep 15, 20153 votes

I still play her as a fighter and still get kills easy. Run a mix of offensive and defensive masteries to survive your first jungle clear, and I normally take smite and ignite for heavy gank damage. Get chilling smite with the warrior enchantment, the get a ravenous hydra and your boots. After that depending on how the game is going you can adapt your build. If I'm ahead I get a black cleaver (at least get the phage for sticking power), and a deadmans plate because gotta go fast. After hydra and black cleaver the rest of your items should focus on survivability. You do good damage, can hold your own in a fight, and rip apart jungle camps like old Rek'sai used to.

Hope it helps ;P

HEAljvLykdSep 14, 20152 votes

Maybe build damage.

Thresh 2 FreshSep 15, 20152 votes

Rek sai's strength comes from her mobility and early pressure. Yes she is a knock up bot but she is on par with lee sin and elise for early game pressure. She has so many ganking options and amazing clears. Throw a item 3709 on her and build tanky damage items like item 3071 and item 3053 , you will be able to do all the damage that is necessary. Rek sai use to be strong and was the top jungler upon release, so either her damage or mobility needed to be nerfed and if they had nerfed her mobility she would not be a viable jungler period. You should watch Hairyabs on twitch, he plays rek sai all the time at high elos (challenger i think) and he carries games.

Nameless VoiceSep 15, 20152 votes

I feel she has pretty decent early-game base damages, the problem is that her scaling is bad and you are absolutely useless if you don't build tank. That means that she's annoying early-game, but increasingly becomes a damageless tank as the game goes on.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 15, 20152 votes

Well according to your latest Reksai games, your only damage builds was Warriors & a Pickaxe, while you finished pure tanky builds like Randuins & SV. I dunno how much damage were you expecting from a build like this.

grumpyfrogySep 15, 20152 votes

ive had alot of success with rek sai top, her in lane is INSANE if u got all 3 of your q autos down its a good half of the 50% of the enemies health gone, not to mention her 100 fury e dmg

General Esdeath Sep 15, 20152 votes

Max fury bite does true damage. Get sated devourer.

DorkunedAurasSep 15, 20151 votes

Bite does not have a base dmg, just AD scaling. So if Rek'Sai has 0 AD, a max fury bite at lvl 18 with max E is about 250 damage, which at that point isn't enough. it scales well, but it just doesn't do it on its own.

General Esdeath Sep 15, 20151 votes

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Bite does not have a base dmg, just AD scaling. So if Rek'Sai has 0 AD, a max fury bite at lvl 18 with max E is about 250 damage, which at that point isn't enough. it scales well, but it just doesn't do it on its own.

I didn't say it does it on its own. I pointed out to him it does true damage.

BârdSep 15, 20152 votes

She is mostly there to counter Evelynn whenever she becomes a power pick.

Cloud PotatoSep 15, 20152 votes

Rek'Sai was originally damage oriented but Riot realized that 1: her utility was much more powerful than it first appeared to be, and 2: none of her damage has any counterplay to it except for unburrowed E, which needs her to basic attack for extended periods of time as a melee champion with no sticking power. So overall, Rek'Sai is not built for an effective damage role, and is now a Tank.

XonraSep 15, 20152 votes

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Rek'Sai was originally damage oriented but Riot realized that 1: her utility was much more powerful than it first appeared to be, and 2: none of her damage has any counterplay to it except for unburrowed E, which needs her to basic attack for extended periods of time as a melee champion with no sticking power. So overall, Rek'Sai is not built for an effective damage role, and is now a Tank.

You are correct on all points, but the problem is, she doesn't actually make a very good tank. Yes, you can build her as a tank, I'm not arguing that fact, but she just isn't a tank.

There are very clearly defined tanks, like Voli I mentioned above, but what they should have done was go all in on her utility, sort of like that did with Bard....except do it good. I think there is absolutely room in the jungle for a utility champ that doesn't have to be a crazy damage monster or an unkillable tank. Unfortunately Rek'Sai should have either stuck with how she started, or had more power to her utility, instead of just taking away her damage and expecting people to want to build a non-tank champ as a tank.

Rand0mH3r0XSep 15, 20152 votes

Seriously? Could you not be ignorant of Rek'Sai's learning curve? Rek'Sai deals tons of damage over time and needs to be tanky in order to deal that damage. Compared to any ADC, Rek'Sai is going to have a problem. You best bet with Rek'Sai is to poke people to death, and close in for the kill.

alfavhunterSep 15, 20152 votes

Build tank with the new tank hydra and she is a decent bruiser end game, but she isn't really going to delete people

LuggSep 15, 20152 votes

Try facing her top sometime and say that. She does good damage. She even has true damage for god's sake.

Only Play DariusSep 15, 20152 votes

Reksai did insane damage when she released. So they nerfed her base damage. Then they nerfed her scalings. Then they nerfed her scalings again. Then they nerfed her 4 more times.

Sorry man but they turned her into a knockup bot who builds full tank or dies because she doesn't work with damage items anymore. Unfortunately you saw the "fighter" tag and got mislead into buying a tank jungler.

She used to be my favorite jungler (back in the good old days when item 3074 was her core item) because I was an underground menace that could pop out of nowhere and assassinate some fool who was wandering around my jungle. Now I simply don't play her anymore because its so unsatisfying being a knockup/sonar bot for your team.

ModIts Yuu and MiSep 15, 20152 votes

That's not even true. You probably just aren't playing her right. Do you really want her buffed to where she's overpowered again? She's fine and balanced-- sorry she's not overpowered like Shyv and such?

Okay yeah you built Phantom Dancer. Pls stop asking for buffs when you have no idea how itemization works in this game.

ChaoticbananaSep 15, 20152 votes

You'd do better with her if you didn't build like total shit

try probuilds until you at least get an understanding of how itemization works

jus sayin

Bard in a DiaperSep 15, 20151 votes

still a top 5 jungler so just shows how broken she used to be. a huge gap close like that with a knockup and a global is ridic on a jungler. not to mention she AOE clears so she can afford to go chilling smite every game, making her ganks even stupider