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Is Nunu the new Sejuani?

Salvor Hardın··2 votes·1,567 views

2 patches have already passed since the launch of NewNu, and its winrate remains around 45%. When Nunu had not yet gone out on the servers live I told Meddler about the possibility of him becoming a broken champion in the professional environment.

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I also take this opportunity to comment that I think Nunu's rework is wonderful, can't stop watching gameplays from the PBE. Hope it doesn't get left in a Pick or Ban state or even 44% winrate so that it is not abused in a competitive.

Have a nice day and weekend, Meddler!

Now my fears are confirmed when I see that the "solution" is going to be "improve the Nunu AP", similar they did with Gragas, Sejuani, solution that in my opinion is not more than a patch to plug the hole in the balance of that champion, increasing his Wr in a tricky way.

What's next? Raise AP ratio to Shen and Ornn?

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Please stop doing that and instead modify the champion to make it viable in SoloQ, which is where people play.

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17 Comments

Beatrice falls3 votes

He needs some advantage to build him tank over AP, because his kit doesn't have anything that scales with him being tank, like Ornn has his W shield that scaled with HP and deals %hp damage (the proc), Nunu only has his Q healing with a HP ratio (which is lower than AP I believe, not sure) and his R shield that is like 300 hp shield every 80seconds lol

Moody P3 votes

who cares about average win rate? show me the win rate curve for good nunus

Salvor Hardın2 votes

https://gyazo.com/f7104988e141a3e42d25233b3c67562d.png

Almost last place in the jungle, I think that says a lot.

With the argument "the good guys" have positive winratio you can absolutely justify any champion no matter how much in the hole it is.

DearPear1 votes

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https://gyazo.com/f7104988e141a3e42d25233b3c67562d.png

Almost last place in the jungle, I think that says a lot.

With the argument "the good guys" have positive winratio you can absolutely justify any champion no matter how much in the hole it is.

Well. Then there's Akali

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388434602580246528/493834925687046154/unknown.png

Oleandervine2 votes

I don't think Nunu needs ANY changes, except for some more mana cost OR CD on his snowball. I think he's still in that state where people aren't solid with him yet, but will escalate once mastery kicks in. And also, most Nunus I've seen have wrecked pretty hard, so I definitely don't think he's in need of any kind of buff.

Salvor Hardın1 votes

As a Tank-Jungler main, i feel him very Weak, he have good ganks, but I feel it very helpless against a lot of aggressive junglers, W snowball trends to crash unpredictably into some walls, and even in occasions where I could do a good early game, I find it very dependent on the team, even more dependent than Ivern .

Paroe1 votes

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As a Tank-Jungler main, i feel him very Weak, he have good ganks, but I feel it very helpless against a lot of aggressive junglers, W snowball trends to crash unpredictably into some walls, and even in occasions where I could do a good early game, I find it very dependent on the team, even more dependent than Ivern .

Wait... Are you... Complaining about an AP bruiser not being as good full tank? Play nunu the way he was intended then - as an AP bruiser. You want AP+HP items. Your end-build should ideally be 300AP, 3000HP, 120armor, and 90MR.

Best Ekko NA1 votes

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Wait... Are you... Complaining about an AP bruiser not being as good full tank? Play nunu the way he was intended then - as an AP bruiser. You want AP+HP items. Your end-build should ideally be 300AP, 3000HP, 120armor, and 90MR.

So you can die before you accomplish anything? Sounds dope.

Salvor Hardın1 votes

Could you give me your opinion on the state of Nunu (&Willump)? ######Always weighs the opinion of a true main xD

Best Ekko NA1 votes

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Could you give me your opinion on the state of Nunu (&Willump)? ######Always weighs the opinion of a true main xD

I don't think Nunu is in a bad spot honestly, more players should be using Unsealed Spellbook (just my honest opinion, but it's not always the right choice either), so partially it is a matter of many people not playing him most optimally. His win rate would go up a lot if more people didn't think he's some AP 1 shot cannon with predator, that build is not effective because it leaves you vulnerable if you miss your W. My post above about AP Nunu is more what it would take to make AP Nunu viable (with his current kit it'll just never happen). That doesn't really make me think Nunu is weak or useless by any means, he's just not cut out for AP builds.

There are many AP items that work, including protobelt, void staff, and deathcap... but primarily Nunu needs to be capable of surviving since generally his range is short and his W is unreliable for engage. This means bruiser / tank items are more a core and needed before you can start getting damage items.

Paroe1 votes

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So you can die before you accomplish anything? Sounds dope.

Even as a full tank youre going to die before you do much but stun. Build some AP, your win rate will skyrocket.

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Even as a full tank youre going to die before you do much but stun. Build some AP, your win rate will skyrocket.

Ummm, what? I have a 66% win rate right now and that's after going on a pretty bad losing tirade recently. I was at around 70% win rate. I have nearly 70 games on the reworked Nunu. I'm pretty sure I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Salvor Hardın1 votes

AP-Bruiser? He is a Warden. What's more, the AP build is considered a secondary build according to Riot himself.

Paroe1 votes

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AP-Bruiser? He is a Warden. What's more, the AP build is considered a secondary build according to Riot himself.

Yes... Full AP nunu is secondary, but AP bruiser is his intended build. You know how we can tell? Because of his very high base and scaling on his Q and W.

Similar to lee-sin and gnar; you can build these champions full tank, but their intended build involves at least two AD items, preferably bruiser items like steraks, titanic hydra, or black cleaver.

Reaper55992 votes

All I wanted is for Voidlings/Hemier turrets to not stop his W snowball.......

Best Ekko NA1 votes

If Riot wants to make Nunu viable as an AP champion, he needs a TON more damage on his E (at least 70% AP scaling per snowball). He also probably needs about 75 more range on his E as well.

Nunu currently suffers from the problem of being a hybrid play-style champion where no build really benefits him, so naturally he's forced into going full tank and hoping he can survive with his Q and shield from his ultimate. Even with those, there's often no reachable targets because Nunu gets CC'd down by the enemy front line, and then is unable to do anything since his E won't reach the back line, his W is useless from melee range, his Q doesn't heal shit fighting champions, and his passive doesn't scale into anything useful.

The old Nunu was actually better designed simply because his E actually did damage and his W let Nunu proc Guardian when he needed it. With the new Nunu, he's basically a walking meat shield who doesn't even make a good tank.

Eedat1 votes

If Riot wants to make Nunu viable as an AP champion, he needs a TON more damage on his E (at least 70% AP scaling per snowball). He also probably needs about 75 more range on his E as well.

.7 per snowball? So the solution to Nunu is to put a 6.8 AP ratio on his basic ability? You're crazy man. I hope you meant something different because thats absolutely ridiculous

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