Balance

Where Teemo At·Jun 6, 2017·2 votes·270 views

After all these years, I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thinks that vayne's 12% max hp true damage, and caitlyn's unkillable spammable massive damage massive range traps are balanced. There are just champions in league that have to be banned or they WILL be absolutely dominating absolutely everything.

When an adc could kill a 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 hp tank with 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 armor with no items at lvl 18 in less than 10 seconds, you have a very serious problem.

I remember when riot was reluctant to give cait 3 traps, let alone 5.

9 Comments

ScissorsNstuffJun 7, 20172 votes

Its not incredibly difficult to defend the balance of these things. The problem is that your argument is complete shit. Not that its wrong, its just shitty. Poor quality, extremely and utterly poor quality. I don't even feel like you're trying. You have no real argument. Being able to kill a tank with 9999999999999999999999999999999999999 hp isn't a bad thing. You're being subjective there, that has nothing to do with balance.

Also your math is pretty shaky too.

Lets say vayne has an attack speed of 2.0 and 400 AD with no items at level 18.

99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 hp and 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 armor is an effective 1/(100+99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 ) = 1e-71 damage so hp regen per second will outrun her damage

at 2.00 attack speed it would take ((100/12)/2)*3 = 12.5 seconds assuming they don't resist. It's lower if she uses rageblade but then she's using rage blade...

Keep in mind that on average champs in general are killed in around 3 seconds regardless of who is killing them outside a few outliers. 13 seconds is terrible and defense should not outscale offense lategame unless you want this game to be terrible

Where Teemo AtJun 7, 20172 votes

somehow you forgot the 12% maximum hp true damage. That was 100% the point. idc if she has 0 ad. She will still kill that tank in no time.

Where Teemo AtJun 7, 20171 votes

o nvm, your comment was just a bit sloppy and i missed it. still. The fact that you think that there isnt a single thing in the entire game that could take damage form vayne for long when she has frequent invisibility and lots of mobility is insane. Lets just have 1 champ with absolutely zero counters shal we?

ScissorsNstuffJun 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Where Teemo At,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XZZpE1Gb,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-07T00:54:23.997+0000)

o nvm, your comment was just a bit sloppy and i missed it.

There's nothing sloppy about it. You just didn't read.

still. The fact that you think that there isnt a single thing in the entire game that could take damage form vayne for long when she has frequent invisibility and lots of mobility is insane. Lets just have 1 champ with absolutely zero counters shal we?

You have yet to demonstrate that she or anyone has no counters. All you've done is demonstrate that in this game there exists at least one case in which even with something like infinite armor will still have some manner of counter. Your argument is so terrible that i'd be wasting time attempting to suggest any further that she is balanced because you are so incapable of even suggesting that she isn't balanced.

10 seconds is shit whether its 0 or 9999999 AD

ScissorsNstuffJun 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Where Teemo At,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XZZpE1Gb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-07T00:52:10.377+0000)

somehow you forgot the 12% maximum hp true damage. That was 100% the point. idc if she has 0 ad. She will still kill that tank in no time.

I didn't forget, you're just terrible at math apparently. Or reading. If you're going to spread hysteria you're going to need a better excuse than "she can kill a tank in under 10 seconds!"

Taking 6 seconds to kill a tank is already trashy for an adc in general unless youre building to do something else.

Where Teemo AtJun 7, 20171 votes

She could kill a tank in 10s with 0ad. That is the point.

Edit* she could kill god in 10s with 0ad.

ScissorsNstuffJun 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Where Teemo At,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XZZpE1Gb,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-07T01:22:44.894+0000)

She could kill a tank in 10s with 0ad. That is the point.

Edit* she could kill god in 10s with 0ad.

you have yet to demonstrate how killing something as godmod as a god over a pathetic timeframe (considering game pacing) is in anyway imbalanced.

You wanted to know why people think vayne is fine? Because shit arguments like yours make it really easy to defend her. That's the answer to your actual question that you asked.

Where Teemo AtJun 15, 20171 votes

If Vayne had the power to 1 shot every single character in all of LoL at once, you would defend her at this point. You are fundamentally wrong here. Vayne has no counters and counters everyone, because she counters the champions (such as rammus) that are designed to counter her class. You don't think that is over powered. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point, but you look like a fool in my eyes.

Looking at what you are typing is just laughable to me. You think being able to do massive amounts of damage with 0 ad doesn't make something op. I'm saying vayne's skill damage is so massive, she doesn't even NEED AD to make her strong. The point is, when you add that massive natural true damage to a character that can frequently go invisible while frequently re positioning with a dash and an autotarget knockback to keep her safe, and auto attacks that would do 500-600 damage per hit WITHOUT her true damage all with a massive movement speed increase toward champions, you make a character that can dish out FAR too much damage with too much safety.

ScissorsNstuffJun 15, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Where Teemo At,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XZZpE1Gb,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-15T13:14:20.886+0000)

If Vayne had the power to 1 shot every single character in all of LoL at once, you would defend her at this point. You are fundamentally wrong here. Vayne has no counters and counters everyone, because she counters the champions (such as rammus) that are designed to counter her class. You don't think that is over powered. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point, but you look like a fool in my eyes.

You're full of shit

10 seconds is slow, end of story.

Don't speculate on what I would and would not do based on how I respond to your pathetic and meaningless drivel. You have no argument if all you have to complain about is that Vayne can kill anything in 10 seconds. 10 seconds is forever in league. That's an idiotic argument against anything and you should feel ridiculous for making it.

Looking at what you are typing is just laughable to me. You think being able to do massive amounts of damage with 0 ad doesn't make something op. I'm saying vayne's skill damage is so massive, she doesn't even NEED AD to make her strong. The point is, when you add that massive natural true damage to a character that can frequently go invisible while frequently re positioning with a dash and an autotarget knockback to keep her safe, and auto attacks that would do 500-600 damage per hit WITHOUT her true damage all with a massive movement speed increase toward champions, you make a character that can dish out FAR too much damage with too much safety.

Bullshit.

Again, stop telling me my responses to arguments you're too much of a lazyass to actually make. You claimed that vayne killing something in 10 seconds in some bullshit scenario was somehow impressive and op. It isn't, it isn't UP either, its just a bunch of unimportant crap. You spout useless crap then decide anyone who doesn't agree with you disagrees with arguments you never even made and then the arguments don't even seem to be based in reality, likely because you don't have the balls to make an actual case for fear of how easily it MIGHT get shut down. ** The problem is not whether vayne is balanced or not, its that you are not a competent judge of league balance nor a competent maker of arguments. **